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[Two]

Its OP, range is longer then a fireflys, shoots faster and does more damage, along with having a retarded suppression mg ontop of it.

And for some reason a m8 does more damage then a sherman or firefly, just like the hummel.



Reduce the range.

[Akranadas]

Suppression of Mounted MG was nerfed.
It's only given to one doctrine.
Don't fight it head on.

[CafeMilani]

only because YOU CANT KILL IT WITH YOUR MANDO BLOBS 

[Two]

i have fireflys for anti tank But not for the geschutzwagen due to its range.

[CafeMilani]

so u wanna tell me u dont have 6pdrs because of no muni which u spend for 9 mandos? hmmm...your problem but i know u have piats

[Two]

Yet piats cant reach it, and even then theyd have to be stupid not to reverse it or have a mg covering it, and i dont have 9 mandos, yet.

And it 2 hits 6 pounders.

[CafeMilani]

it3-4 hits them! liar-.-

get 6pdrs, its accuracy vs them is low.

[BigDick]

Its OP, range is longer then a fireflys, shoots faster and does more damage, along with having a retarded suppression mg ontop of it.

And for some reason a m8 does more damage then a sherman or firefly, just like the hummel.



Reduce the range.

thats bullshit
i saw many shots bouncing off fireflys it is more worse than a marder vs a firefly its accuracy at long range is crap 0.75 and its reload time is pretty high

it turns so slow that even a damaged engine kingtiger could circle it
it has no turret and the armor is made out of paper and the hp are low

[BigDick]

And it 2 hits 6 pounders.

its accuracy against at guns is below 50% the other way its close to 100%

[Two]

Fine then buff fireflys range.

[CafeMilani]

rofl

[BigDick]

that Two can play with 9 squads (with reinforcements package) commandos and 3 firefly+2cct only?

[Mysthalin]

1. Geschutzwaggen hits ATGs at the same rate ATGs hit the geschutzwaggen - 48.25 percent at long range. If it's in an absolutely no cover field(doesn't happen), the ATG has 65 percent accuracy, but that's just not gonna happen. GWG is smaller than the Marder as well, so it's harder to hit with a missed shot.

2. Geschutzwaggen can't be worse than a marder at killing fireflies because it IS a freaking marder with more speed and an MG. It uses the exact same gun. With lockdown, of course, the marder will be better, but the geschie can pop rapid fire rounds. The reload time is 5 seconds on a GWG, the long range reload time on a firefly is 5.75 at long range, 9 seconds at medium range, 10.7 seconds at close range.

3. Firefly vs GWG accuracy at long range = 79.9 percent.
GWG vs Firefly accuracy at long range = 75 percent.
It's not too different, actualy.

4. The HP is actualy 375, so not too horribly low.

[BigDick]

1. Geschutzwaggen hits ATGs at the same rate ATGs hit the geschutzwaggen - 48.25 percent at long range. If it's in an absolutely no cover field(doesn't happen), the ATG has 65 percent accuracy, but that's just not gonna happen. GWG is smaller than the Marder as well, so it's harder to hit with a missed shot.

thats a lie at guns have long range accuracy of 85% and accuracy against geschützwagen of 100% so it depends on the distance but the accuracy against geschützwagen is between 85 and 100%

2. Geschutzwaggen can't be worse than a marder at killing fireflies because it IS a freaking marder with more speed and an MG. It uses the exact same gun. With lockdown, of course, the marder will be better, but the geschie can pop rapid fire rounds. The reload time is 5 seconds on a GWG, the long range reload time on a firefly is 5.75 at long range, 9 seconds at medium range, 10.7 seconds at close range.

thats a lie too a marder turns much faster than a geschützwagen and it has a lockdown ability that increase penetration and damage slightly
armor and health is the same

3. Firefly vs GWG accuracy at long range = 79.9 percent.
GWG vs Firefly accuracy at long range = 75 percent.
It's not too different, actualy.

4. The HP is actualy 375, so not too horribly low.

penetration of geschützwagen against firefly is under 50%
penetration of firefly against geschützwagen is 1700%

[Tymathee]

meh, they're slow on anything but roads but omg, i saw a game where on the road this thing was insanely fast, almost as fast as a m10 on a road. It is quite powerful and it turns fast enough so its tough to circle strafe it. I dont know the pricing but i never see mroe than one on the field a whole game, maybe a 2nd so it's obviously limited or expensive or both. I usually just avoid them and try to kill them with at guns or rangers when i get the chance, other wise, it's an at gun and needs to be similarly supported.

[BigDick]

pricing is 400mp 200 fuel vs marder 305mp 120 fuel

it is fast if you drive straight forward or backwards but when ever it need to turn a single degree it stops and feels like a kingtiger doing a 360° turn

the same problem is when you try to aim something that does not drive straight onto you (very often due its really small firering cone)... needs ages to turn a little bit

even at guns feel much more agile

[Tymathee]

hmm maybe im thinking a marder then, i've seen a lot of both lately. and yea, the pricing is good for its power, I see no problem with it.

[BigDick]

the best thing you can compare it with is a marderIII (crappier version) without lockdown that is available to terror doctrine only
priced at 33% more popcap and mp costs and 66% more fuel costs
panzerIV is only 65fuel more so almost everyone will buy the more universal panzer4 when he has these 65 more fuel left

imho geschützwagen shouldn't cost more than 350MP and 160fuel (since wehr is not so fuel depended like PE)

[brn4meplz]

BigDick. Use it on a road, you get the negative cover movement bonus applied to it's turning

[BigDick]

BigDick. Use it on a road, you get the negative cover movement bonus applied to it's turning

every tank is faster on the road...and nice that units can be only used on roads since we have everywhere roads on the map