Geschützwagen Veterancy

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[BigDick]

Geschutzwagen
-Vet1 Received Damage .85
-Vet2 Penetration 1.15 Received Damage .9
-Vet3 Reload .5 Accuracy 1.1 Penetration 1.15

concerns Vet3 Reload .5

in the gametables you have sight radius modifier +5

and no reload buff

[Mysthalin]

I would guess this list is taken from the vCoH veterancy stats, and posted on the forums without alteration.
In fact, a 200 percent increase in DPS is ludicrous for any unit - it would be silly even for a jeep. For a geschutzwaggen, a 0.5 reload modifier is just not gonna happen due to one unit rape all scenarios.

[Two]

at vet 3 its ment to fire twice as fast? lul

[Sharpshooter824]

wow twice as fast with that crazy range and damage, maybe it needs to be looked at hehe, I know that at vet 3 a regular marder in lock down can 3 shoot a sherman which is just plain crazy 

[Scyn]

Geschutzwagen
-Vet1 Received Damage .85
-Vet2 Penetration 1.15 Received Damage .9
-Vet3 Reload .5 Accuracy 1.1 Penetration 1.15

concerns Vet3 Reload .5

in the gametables you have sight radius modifier +5

and no reload buff

Umm yeah.. I apologize, several units in that list are incorrectly marked... I have no idea how that happened if someone just copy/pasted from the dev forum. *Cough*

[BigDick]

@My Stalin 200% dps increase would mean a modifier of 0.33

@sharpshoota it does not get these reload boni only a crappy +5 sight

and compared to marder vet that is a joke for this more expensive and crappier unit

MarderIII
-Vet1 Received Damage 0.85
-Vet2 Penetration 1.15, Received damage 0.90
-Vet3 Damage 1.25, Penetration 1.15,  Accuracy 1.10

Geschutzwagen
-Vet1 Received Damage .85
-Vet2 Penetration 1.15 Received Damage .9
-Vet3 sight +5 Accuracy 1.1 Penetration 1.15

[Sharpshooter824]

you forgot about the crazy range Gwagons have lol

[Mysthalin]

How the fuck does a tripple ROF translate to double DPS? Double ROF means double DPS, it's pretty basic.
Bigdick, you're getting more retarded by the second.

If you can't use the extra sight range on a GWG, then, as you like to say, you're not skilled enough and don't have the micro to use it.

Go die in a fire now, please, a 0.5 reload modifier is not going to happen, to any unit.

[BigDick]

How the fuck does a tripple ROF translate to double DPS? Double ROF means double DPS, it's pretty basic.
Bigdick, you're getting more retarded by the second.

a 200% increase like you said would means an actually value of 300% of the original value

If you can't use the extra sight range on a GWG, then, as you like to say, you're not skilled enough and don't have the micro to use it.

+25% more damage of the marder vet3 is much better than +5 sight

Go die in a fire now, please, a 0.5 reload modifier is not going to happen, to any unit.

what happens and what dont happens is not your decision (thanks 2 god or wehrmacht would come onto the field with weaponless schwimmwagens only)
actually the hotchkiss has a 0.5 reload modifier with vet so your sentence is a contradiction anyways

and i don't ask for 0.5 reload modifier im just checking some things and the geschützwagen should get something better than +5 sight compared to +25% damage of the marder @ vet3

[Mysthalin]

You're better than that than to take words out of context? Oh wait, you're not, anyways, let's drop it, it doesn't matter.

Actualy, it depends +5 sight will allow the geschutzwaggen to see a sherman and shoot it earlier, whereas you'll still have to have a spotter for the vet 3 marder to reach such "effective ranges".

Unlike you, bigdick, I am not biased. I play both sides(albeit I mainly concentrate on my allies in order to achieve some unlocks on at least one company), and I understand the problems axis have to face as well, such as commandos, or how annoying an allied sniper can be.

[Scyn]

I'm pretty sure the rapid fire ability it gets is better than +25% more damage @ vet level

[Baine]

You're better than that than to take words out of context? Oh wait, you're not, anyways, let's drop it, it doesn't matter.

Words out of context? He quoted you like you wrote it, 3 parts in your post and answered to them.
Sometimes you guys really try anything to bash on BigDick and aloha.

[BigDick]

I'm pretty sure the rapid fire ability it gets is better than +25% more damage @ vet level

marder 3 has lock down (for free) what increase damage and penetration and it turns much faster and is much cheaper in everything (menpower, fuel, pop) and rapid fire are aditional 75mun to invest into the Geshitswagen

[Scyn]

and the .5 reload modifier on the regular Hotchkiss is acceptable as its gun is pretty trash and we haven't decided whether to modify the weapon or not to bring it in line. If we do.. then the reload will be taken away.

[Scyn]

I'm not going to argue with you as the change is acceptable and you're just going to have to deal with it. If I wanted ti to be a marder I'd make it a marder.

[Baine]

Why not change +5 sight modifier, with turn rate change? Like 25% faster or maybe 50% ?

[brn4meplz]

Use it on a road, then you don't need to worry about turn rates. Giving it a turn rate modifiers would lessen it's main weakness. we can't go doing that. that be like making a Panther better at killing inf at Vet 3

[Baine]

Use it on a road, then you don't need to worry about turn rates. Giving it a turn rate modifiers would lessen it's main weakness. we can't go doing that. that be like making a Panther better at killing inf at Vet 3

It's main weakness is the fact that it dies to a fart. Like a stuart. No need to make it even harder in connection with the fucked up relic pathing. Reduce it's speed, but change the turn rate.

[Scyn]

Why not change +5 sight modifier, with turn rate change? Like 25% faster or maybe 50% ?

Changing it's rotation rate was the first thing I wanted to do, but it can't be done through veterancy entity_modifiers. It would basically have to change into a different unit. Which is far too much hard work.

[panzerjager1943]

Guys, as a side note, here are the stats on the Geschutzwagen:

-Exact same main gun as the Marder. EXACT, down to every detail in cooldown, reload, damage, range, accuracy, penetration, target_table. It was copy-pasted, since the vCoH G-wagen is a Marder with 250 damage and 7s reload, with a few minor target_table differences. In the EiRR environment, 250 damage per shot would not sit well, so we made it deal the same damage output as the Marder -- realistically so, as they both use the 75mm Pak40.

-Exact same health and armour type as Marder
-Rapid Fire = Reload x0.5
-The G-wagen is faster than the Marder -- hell, it's even faster than the Hotchkiss.
-Comes with a Machine Gun for no upgrade.