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[Illegal_Carrot]

2 on one gren squad.  Most of the time I don't want my inf shooting there own cover away.

This is 100% correct, though I've noticed they shoot their own cover less often recently.

PaKs do more damage, and tanks are more mobile/reliable/generalized.
I have two (both on one Gren), but just because I need low-pop, mobile AT in my first call in.
Honestly, I'd rather take any other man-packed AT ('Zooks, RRs, PIATS), as they're much more cost-effective.

[Latios418]

Honestly, I'd rather take any other man-packed AT ('Zooks, RRs, PIATS), as they're much more cost-effective.

This. All of them are inferior on a one-by-one basis, but when you realize that they all get 2 for equal to or less than the price of a single shreck you start to appreciate how good PIATs and RRs are.

[Tymathee]

Honestly, I'd rather take any other man-packed AT ('Zooks, RRs, PIATS), as they're much more cost-effective.

This. All of them are inferior on a one-by-one basis, but when you realize that they all get 2 for equal to or less than the price of a single shreck you start to appreciate how good PIATs and RRs are.

yes and no. The fact is, over time, you can do more damage with schrecks because when you hit, they hit hard and have better penetration power but zooks have poor penetration, piats are good only cuz they usually hit top armor cuz of their arc and rr's have good penetration but only i think 65 dmg.

so all in all, i'd rather have schrecks to pay for than zooks or rr's or piats. because it combines the strength's of all 3

[Killer344]

The strength's of all 3? yeah sure, play with the wher plz.

[Illegal_Carrot]

Honestly, I'd rather take any other man-packed AT ('Zooks, RRs, PIATS), as they're much more cost-effective.

This. All of them are inferior on a one-by-one basis, but when you realize that they all get 2 for equal to or less than the price of a single shreck you start to appreciate how good PIATs and RRs are.

yes and no. The fact is, over time, you can do more damage with schrecks because when you hit, they hit hard and have better penetration power but zooks have poor penetration, piats are good only cuz they usually hit top armor cuz of their arc and rr's have good penetration but only i think 65 dmg.

so all in all, i'd rather have schrecks to pay for than zooks or rr's or piats. because it combines the strength's of all 3

Yes, you may do more damage over time, but when you take cost into account, other AT options are much more appealing.
You can have ~2 RRs, 2-3 PIATs, or 4-5 'Zooks for the price of one 'Schreck.
Then take into account the 'Zook's and the PIAT's crazy damage and accuracy modifiers against German vehicles, and you see that Zooks/PIATs can actually do more damage and be more accurate than Schrecks.
On top of all that take the platform's weakness into account (Grens and Storms have only four men, are easily 1-2 shot'd, or otherwise taken out by Allied vehicles, etc), and I'd much rather have any other form of AT.
BTW, I've played my Airborne company a lot recently, and I'd have to say RRs are the best hand-held AT weapon right now.

[Latios418]

yes and no. The fact is, over time, you can do more damage with schrecks because when you hit, they hit hard and have better penetration power but zooks have poor penetration, piats are good only cuz they usually hit top armor cuz of their arc and rr's have good penetration but only i think 65 dmg.

so all in all, i'd rather have schrecks to pay for than zooks or rr's or piats. because it combines the strength's of all 3

YOU'RE COMPARING THEM ON A ONE-BY-ONE BASIS YOU NUBCAEK

Maybe I'll draw up a chart or something comparing them all in full depth. I dunno.

[Killer344]

btw, why are we even wasting time here? look who made it.

[Scyn]

yeah Illegal.. but in order to purchase 4 zooks you also have to spend 600mp. 600mp and 160mu for 4 zooks. but you can't just get zooks by themselves because you need thompsons to make rangers worth it because 6pop worth of rangers with rifles wont do anything against any sort of infantry. And lets face it, bazookas are not a solution to armor, and they can barely deter light vehicles. So overall.. the shreck still is more valuable.

[Killer344]

And Idk why people think grens aren´t survivable, they can take a beating and are a lot more easier to micro than ABS/Rangers, with schrecks you can usually shoot and get away before they hit you, with ABS/Rangers you need to get a bit closer to make sure that the 2 retards who are left behind with the AT weapons are in range to fire, which means that the p4 will hit them, and usually hard, and guess what, if it has skirts, gl trying to penetrate it.

[DasNoob]

3 in my PE, 4 marders for the rest.

[Latios418]

yeah Illegal.. but in order to purchase 4 zooks you also have to spend 600mp. 600mp and 160mu for 4 zooks. but you can't just get zooks by themselves because you need thompsons to make rangers worth it because 6pop worth of rangers with rifles wont do anything against any sort of infantry. And lets face it, bazookas are not a solution to armor, and they can barely deter light vehicles. So overall.. the shreck still is more valuable.

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Wow.

Dot. Dot. Dot.

So, it's ok to have 5 pop invested in a grenadier squad with a single shreck, but it's not ok to have 6 pop invested in a Ranger squad with double bazookas for slightly more MP and 66% of the munitions cost? As for the second comment...

"Let's face it, I'm pulling random shit out of my ass that completely goes against all statistics". Two bazookas perform similarly to one shreck (NOT ONE BAZOOKA, TWO), while being a full 33% cheaper (munitions wise, only 50 more manpower iirc, not a big deal), and coming on a platform that has better anti infantry capabilities (4 rifles vs 3 rifles), more hp, and better armour.

[AmPM]

Don't forget Fireup to get close or get away.

[Scyn]

It's not random shit. 2 bazookas for 300mp and 220mu. When you learn how to play allies someday I'll give you points about conserving your army in order to compete with the axis.

[Killer344]

Yep you are right Latios418,


Oh wait, the price of such upgrades reflect otherwise... mmm.....which have always been pretty much like that since EIR existed.

[Scyn]

I don't think he realises that a bazooka has less than a 45% chance to penetrate Any piece of Wehrmacht armor besides the Ostwind, and a less than 50% chance to penetrate any piece of Panzer Elite armor. Here's a neat stat for you. a Bazooka has an 11% chance to penetrate a Panther w/ skirts. 17% regularly. Oh and the Bazooka only does 75 base dmg.

Now on a Similar note. The Panzershreck has a more than 45% to penetrate ANYTHING. And does 120dmg. So tell me I'm pulling shit out of my ass again, you're only making yourself look like an idiot be arguing with me.

[Latios418]

I don't think he realises that a bazooka has less than a 45% chance to penetrate Any piece of Wehrmacht armor besides the Ostwind, and a less than 50% chance to penetrate any piece of Panzer Elite armor. Here's a neat stat for you. a Bazooka has an 11% chance to penetrate a Panther w/ skirts. 17% regularly. Oh and the Bazooka only does 75 base dmg.

Now on a Similar note. The Panzershreck has a more than 45% to penetrate ANYTHING. And does 120dmg. So tell me I'm pulling shit out of my ass again, you're only making yourself look like an idiot be arguing with me.

And again you're arguing on a one by one basis. Two bazookas are cheaper than one panzershreck, and yet you argue one bazooka vs one panzershreck. This argument is done because you can't read.

[Smokaz]

The zook is crappy as hell compared to the panzershrek. Panzershrek > all other infantry based at.

Its penetration is the key here. At medium range, it has 0.75 accuracy and very high penetration.

[Scyn]

Two bazookas if they penetrate do 150 dmg..  now mind you the thing they penetrate most is an Ostwind at 79% chance. Now a Shreck has a 89% chance to penetrate a Sherman. We'll say it this way just for the sake of.. I'm pretty much always right...

Ostwind vs Ranger - Ostwind has a 75% chance to hit. Now as I already stated, Rangers without Thompsons are worthless. Ostwind, if it kills 1 guy from a range squad that's okay. Bazookas will transfer from the 6 man to 5 man squad. Now whoever the ostwind kills from then on is dead and so is the weapon efficiency, especially if it happens to be a bazooka guy. Now in the time it takes to reload from a bazooka, and lets say for the hell of it the rangers get the first shots off. And both Penetrate Great.. that's 150 dmg done to the ostwind. Only 250 more to go.

Now Taking into account all of the above. The Ostwind will fire approximately 7 shots before before the next volley of bazookas fires. Lets say they hit again... Hooray! another 150 dmg. only 100 more to go. During the time that the volley was fireThe ostwind has let off another  3 shots and is reloading for it's 4 seconds. Bazookas reload in 8s btw. So the Ostwind gets to reload and fires another 4 shots.. But oh.. fuck! a zook guy died during the previous 10 shots So this time do to chance the rangers fired again and omfg.. how lucky are we.. it penetrated again! only 25 more dmg to go! But now the ostwind has let off another 6 shots and has effectively killed the ranger squad.. boo hoo.

Also.. none of this scenario took into account the huge god damn scatter bazookas have.

[BeRzErKeR]

Wow... This thread is starting to get filled with anger and hate . The whole thread was asking a simple question of how many Panzerschreck people have in their company, but it ended up being a thread of people arguing about stats and shit... Wheres the love?

I currently have 6 Schrecks in my PE account.

[crimsonrobbit]

2 in my PE company (with supply drops its 4).
Marders and panthers are better imo.
However, i would like to pick RRs for my schrek squads because i find them better than zooks, but nowhere near as better as schreks. I like variety in my schrek squads.