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Scyn

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2009, 12:17:16 am »

Personally it's stupid because *IT* has a gun.. where the WM schwimm is totally worthless. same lame detect.. tbh I think it actually only has 35 sight radius and has no gun. And costs more than a bike.


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bbsmith Offline

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2009, 12:24:57 am »

No no the schwimms were switched. The PE got the wehr one with the gun and the wehr got the PE one with the detection.


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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2009, 12:26:50 am »

jeep is the best spotting unit in game. You wanna nerf that too while you are it.


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acker

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2009, 12:49:04 am »

Better yet, switch the Ketten for the Jeep, and give Infantry Company cloaked kettens.

That way, the PE gets a reliable anti-sniper weapon, while Infantry Company gets the cloaked 1-popcap minesweeper that happens to spot for 105mm offmaps/enemy positions. It's the perfect solution!


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bbsmith Offline

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2009, 12:50:59 am »

PE already have the schwimm with a gun its pretty much the same as a Jeep for killing snipers.


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acker

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2009, 12:52:39 am »

The Jeep is evidently the best spotting unit in the game. Do you want to deny the PE a weapon of that magnitude?

...Ok, I'm done with the sarcasm. But seriously, how much does the Cloaked Ketten cost?


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AmPM

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2009, 12:54:18 am »

Ok, I'll trade cloak Ketten for a Jeep/Schiwm with Scouting.


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bbsmith Offline

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2009, 12:55:20 am »

But I don't want the cloaked ketten... I want a super detection unit.


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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2009, 12:55:32 am »

Quote from: AmPM on June 23, 2009, 12:54:18 am

Ok, I'll trade cloak Ketten for a Jeep/Schiwm with Scouting.

No you're trading the cloaking ketten AND the armed shrimpwagon for the jeep with scouting.

I know which I'll take.


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AmPM

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #49 on: June 23, 2009, 12:57:36 am »

Wait, so I get the MG armed jeep that costs less than the Schwimm and I get scouting? Why would I want the Schwimm?

GIMME SCOUT JEEPS!! 70+ LoS = win.

Why do you need to sneak up on something to spot it, when you can use 2 jeeps and reveal half the map.


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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2009, 12:58:23 am »

Quote from: AmPM on June 23, 2009, 12:57:36 am

Jeeps have 70+ stealth detection amirite?


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Scyn

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2009, 12:59:53 am »

18. If you were trying to be serious.


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acker

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2009, 01:00:19 am »

The Jeep with scouting still has less detection than the vanilla ketten (And is slower. And has half the acceleration). Last time I checked, Scouting Jeeps couldn't detect mines. The Jeep would have 15% more sight range, and would be relatively tougher, for 2 more popcap, 5 fuel, and 40 more manpower.

It isn't invisible, and can't outrun infantry squads while cloaked (well, it can't even cloak in the first place). Ketten allows pinpoint arty placement with zero warning, on any place on the map. Good luck running a Jeep to the enemy's rear lines without having it noticed.

Done deal, right there.


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AmPM

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2009, 01:01:59 am »

Gimme the Jeep, my men detect mines, and who cares about stealth detect, thats what the Vamp is for.

PE want jeep with scouting!

And sorry, 63.25 LoS according to the doctrine.


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Hydro

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2009, 01:30:18 am »

Quote from: acker on June 23, 2009, 01:00:19 am

t isn't invisible, and can't outrun infantry squads while cloaked (well, it can't even cloak in the first place). Ketten allows pinpoint arty placement with zero warning, on any place on the map. Good luck running a Jeep to the enemy's rear lines without having it noticed.

Done deal, right there.

Of course no one said when in cammo it has really small sight, oh and panzer elite haven't mine sweapers like other armies


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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2009, 01:32:18 am »

Quote from: Hydro on June 23, 2009, 01:30:18 am

Quote from: acker on June 23, 2009, 01:00:19 am

Of course no one said when in cammo it has really small sight, oh and panzer elite haven't mine sweapers like other armies

Ya your default infantry detects mines, thats so hard for PE man. Roll Eyes


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Hydro

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2009, 01:37:49 am »

Quote from: gamesguy2 on June 23, 2009, 01:32:18 am

Ya your default infantry detects mines, thats so hard for PE man. Roll Eyes

Yes of course I will waste 2 min. to something like pixel hunting, moving my pgrenz on less 1 meter to find mines, be serious


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jackmccrack Offline

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2009, 01:42:45 am »

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Yes of course I will waste 2 min. to something like pixel hunting, moving my pgrenz on less 1 meter to find mines, be serious

Same could be said for cloaked Kettens tbqh. Unlike mines they can move and spot for arty.


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Hydro

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Re: Luftwaffe ketten

« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2009, 01:48:28 am »

Quote from: jackmccrack on June 23, 2009, 01:42:45 am

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Yes of course I will waste 2 min. to something like pixel hunting, moving my pgrenz on less 1 meter to find mines, be serious

Same could be said for cloaked Kettens tbqh. Unlike mines they can move and spot for arty.

Come on, cloaked ketten when has been implemented? Of course I was expecting one allie will be angry "omg army of ninja killed my howitzer", but I didn't expecting it after how much hotfix?

Jeeps,. british clown car aka bren carrier, recon squad, recon run can detect them