Why churchill needs price decrease

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[Mukip]

Nuenen
iherduliekmudkips (airborne) and Draken (royal engineers) vs ArmedBastard (wehr) and HerrWeiner (wehr)

Watch it and weep.  Draken's Churchill with 3 Cromwell Command tanks barely managed to beat a Sherman in kill ratio in a lovely target rich environment.  The Churchill is a fail tank, the accuracy is comical, sometimes going for up to six shots without killing anything.  If it wasn't for the CCTs (a passing fad for the lols which will obviously be restricted soon) I doubt it would have done much at all.

Fun game though, I've missed my RR's.

http://rapidshare.com/files/248658610/4p_nuenen.2009-06-25.22-50-41.zip.html

[Draken]

That callin costed me 1100 manpower and 605 fuel, so more then tiger, but it was worse then unupgunned sherman, jeez this thing sux.

Lolz and vet on this thing vet 1 13 xp, vet 2 50 xp, vet 3 100 (when avre is 10, 40, 80), lolz look at the leaderboard (holly shit 6 churchills, there is not even single vet 2), this thing is so cost effecient. It should cost something like 350 mp and 180 fuel or even less this is just pop sucker atm.

[Sharpshooter824]

SEE WHAT I MEAN! 

lol churchhill is a big fail tank, makes a nice and frustrating challenge trying to get it to vet 2 though 

[CafeMilani]

no its just like this: thats why 3 ccts fails on other tanks than fireflys
rename this thread pls, the current name is totally bullshit and simply not correct.

[Draken]

Aloha aren't you banned from balance threads?

This replay proves that even with triple accuracy bonus and extra range, churchill fails at all infantry support tanks, which is speed, rate of fire, damage, penetration, can't hit anything, shrekz and paks own this things in no time.

How this thing can have higher mp cost then sherman and little less fuel, when it fails so hard even with 3 ccts hits 1/4 enemy infantry not on the move, so wtf, aloha are you so retarded, so much blind, every thread about buffing allies you must say no, they pay you for that or you have still hitler picture in your room?

[CommanderHolt]

The thing is that Churchills Gun badly need it accurcy boost against Infantry in order for it to be effective, obviously just boosting ROF and Range won't help it (Although it does outline it problems ALOT more clearly).

CCT Only gives ROF and Range increase and Sight Range.

[Mukip]

Agreed.  The triple CCTs basically highlight the accuracy problem of the Churchill.

[CafeMilani]

 it needs an accuracy boost vs infantry, not a price decrease. and when this is done, its needs a price increase because its nearly unkillable when well microed (u microed it completely retarded) because almost never penetrate the frontal armor

[Mukip]

Actually yes, a price decrease isn't the only option, they could just fix the accuracy.  I don't think it needs a price hike for the privelage of being able to do what every other generalist tank in the game does (actually hit infantry) though.  I know there's a T2 to improve it but seriously, what if the RE players decides not to use it, is he stuck with useless Churchills?

[Draken]

How I love your posts, this needs price increase, beacause it needs it, cuz mein fuhrer sent me here to help ze axis to win ze war.

If my micro is retarded (lolz said support spammer) then you are right in all balance threads.

Why you dont complain on ccounter strike forums that terro starts with glock and cts with USP? Try that, and you will see how they will nerf your ego.

[RikiRude]

I guess since the churchill is 10 pop it can be as effective as a turd on a string and we won't see any kind of buff on it.

[Illegal_Carrot]

1 CCT doesn't give accuracy bonuses.
2 Church with Sherman 75mm gun will be amazing.
3 Yes, without the 75mm (or other unlocks) the Church can be very underwhelming vs inf at range. Against everything else, it's got great accuracy, but mediocre penetration.

[Guderian]

I wish we could give it a fire mod that makes the aoe for some time rise.

Like exploding shells.


(that exists......in tov...)

[spartan117]

I actually just used the churchill in a game I just played and got it to vet 1, 30 xp. I think it can be a great Tank if you use it the correct way.

ps:I Have Desert Rats

[Illegal_Carrot]

I actually just used the churchill in a game I just played and got it to vet 1, 30 xp. I think it can be a great Tank if you use it the correct way.

ps:I Have Desert Rats

One thing you have to keep in mind is that the Church has excellent base accuracy, but suffers from a terrible .5 moving accuracy penalty. Keeping the Church still while firing is the way to go (Hull Down + Desert Rats is perfect for this).
Looking at the Church's gun, all it needs to be great is a larger AOE area, better accuracy against inf, and better penetration, all of which the 75mm gun offers.
Honestly, the RE doctrine unlocks work together so well, they easily make the Church the best tank in the game.

[spartan117]

I actually just used the churchill in a game I just played and got it to vet 1, 30 xp. I think it can be a great Tank if you use it the correct way.

ps:I Have Desert Rats

One thing you have to keep in mind is that the Church has excellent base accuracy, but suffers from a terrible .5 moving accuracy penalty. Keeping the Church still while firing is the way to go (Hull Down + Desert Rats is perfect for this).
Looking at the Church's gun, all it needs to be great is a larger AOE area, better accuracy against inf, and better penetration, all of which the 75mm gun offers.
Honestly, the RE doctrine unlocks work together so well, they easily make the Church the best tank in the game.

I think I have to agree with this churchills are great, you just got to know how to use them.

[Tymathee]

but they're still over priced for what they do. They're basically an engineer/defensive tank.

[Guderian]

Church needs more hp (yes not more armor)

Better terrain modifiers.

Make it the ultimate defensive tank!

[CrazyWR]

The Churchill is fine.  If you buff it, it becomes ridiculous with unlocks.  Just don't pick it if you don't want to pick the other unlocks that help it.

[spinn72]

Give it Tank Shock please.  That's half the use of a churchill, to tank shock then run over.