25pdr Buff

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[CommanderHolt]

As of now, there is almost no reason to get it as a T1 when it has crappy range and you can get the Priest as a T2. Supercharged Rounds which gives it a respectable range is a T3 in which it also affects Priest.

I think 25pdr should be unlocked along with the doctrine.

[spinn72]

Good point there.  Make it with the doctrine and put a T1 in so that building time and packing time is reduced by 50%.  That makes it very useful.

You'll still know that the 25 pounder is cheap since its only 110 fuel.  Its not meant to be that good of a weapon.  However, if you can use it well in an attack/defend scenario or even a R+ mode, you'll do really well with it since the rounds are quite powerful and all it needs to do is kill a couple of inf squads to be even.

[Lt_Apollo]

good point this unit is currently underused and inafective, a proper buff is needed.

[Relay]

Perhaps the 25pdr AT T4 doctrine would make it far more useful compared to the priest, depending on how it is implemented. Since there is already a doctrine choice in place that will buff the 25pdr, it may be a good idea to wait and see what kind of effect that has before calling for changes.

[Tymathee]

agreed

[CommanderHolt]

Perhaps the 25pdr AT T4 doctrine would make it far more useful compared to the priest, depending on how it is implemented. Since there is already a doctrine choice in place that will buff the 25pdr, it may be a good idea to wait and see what kind of effect that has before calling for changes.

True, but units don't get priced by their Doctrinal Buffs (Only by their starting potential) and neither should it determine what Tier it unlocks. Not everybody is going to get 25pdr AT (A T4 no less) and a regular 25pdr is still inferior to the Priest.

RCA also lacks it own "Signature" unit when it is first unlocked. RSE has the Kangaroo, RC has the Commandos. 25pdr would make the best fit for a "Signature" unit for RCA.

[jackmccrack]

RSE has the Kangaroo, RC has the Commandos. 25pdr would make the best fit for a "Signature" unit for RCA.

RSE also gets the Boys AT Rifle, dammit they get all the fun things.

[Mysthalin]

I suggested the AT mode as a doctrine 

It will be a state-change, when you're using AT 25, it will not be capable of firing barages. It will do 150-250 damage per shot, only target vehicles, will have really great penetration and accuracy, but... really bad splash. So infantry don't get fucked .

[crimsonrabbit]

I suggested the AT mode as a doctrine  

It will be a state-change, when you're using AT 25, it will not be capable of firing barages. It will do 150-250 damage per shot, only target vehicles, will have really great penetration and accuracy, but... really bad splash. So infantry don't get fucked .

That would make it an 88 except better and can relocate.
Not good when it comes to balance for the 88 is not an emplacement and can be easily decrewed, however if your 88 AT 25 is damaged it can just simply unpack then repack again. That is unless the AT 25's range is ridiculously nerfed to the range of a 6 pounder or a little less, but then again I don't believe there will be an AT 25...................will there???

Wait a minute, can the 25 pounder relocate???

[Mysthalin]

1. Emplacement means it is easier to hit by other forms of arty, or simply by tank guns/shreks.
2. It can NOT relocate - couldn't since .004, afaik.
3. The range will be a bit lower than the standard non-supercharge shell range(pretty crap).
4. Allies do not have a V1, axis do.

[Armfelt]

Perhaps let the 25 pounder also become like an empty bunker? So it is possible to have up to an infantry section behind the "sandbags" inside it? Protecting the artillery piece from evil stormies :]

[LuAn]

Why can some emplacements relocate and some not? Whats the reason?
And how's that reflected in their pricing?

Why cant the 17pder relocate but the bofors can?
Same with Mortar and Vickers?

Why has the 25pder a higher recharge than priest?
Even the Hummel has a lower recharge than priest?

The American Howitzer can be almost directly compared to the 25pd and (imo) the howie as (alot) better stats than the 25pd.

The calliope shoots a bitchload of rockets that do a hell of damage and even without spotting it has a high accuracy.

Why does the nebel supresses that good, stuka rocket also hurts alot but CW-Arty rarely kills something because of its bad accuracy (with or without spotting).
(Victor Target is fine imo)

I'd like to see some balance attention regarding all arty units and pieces.(Buff the 25pd and priest a bit i say!  )

[deadbolt]

I suggested the AT mode as a doctrine 

It will be a state-change, when you're using AT 25, it will not be capable of firing barages. It will do 150-250 damage per shot, only target vehicles, will have really great penetration and accuracy, but... really bad splash. So infantry don't get fucked .

so its a massive wtfrecoilessrifle

[AmPM]

Actually, it wasn't a very good ATG =) About as good as a 6pdr really.

A direct fire mode would be good though. Just leave it as is and have it fire directly, slowly, as a toggle.

[Tymathee]

Perhaps the 25pdr AT T4 doctrine would make it far more useful compared to the priest, depending on how it is implemented. Since there is already a doctrine choice in place that will buff the 25pdr, it may be a good idea to wait and see what kind of effect that has before calling for changes.

True, but units don't get priced by their Doctrinal Buffs (Only by their starting potential) and neither should it determine what Tier it unlocks. Not everybody is going to get 25pdr AT (A T4 no less) and a regular 25pdr is still inferior to the Priest.

RCA also lacks it own "Signature" unit when it is first unlocked. RSE has the Kangaroo, RC has the Commandos. 25pdr would make the best fit for a "Signature" unit for RCA.

the Mortar pit is the signature unit.

[Lt_Apollo]

As an axis player i must say the 25 pounder is realy crapy, no real threat when compaired to howie (its not even that hard to kill) any way as an total axis fanboy (quoting another thread) i beleave the 25 pounder needs a serous buff in order to function as a coast effective artilery peace

[LuAn]

Maybe one thing that can be implemented as a start is to allow the 25pder to relocate. (and if you are at it the vickers and 17pd too?)

[BeRzErKeR]

Maybe one thing that can be implemented as a start is to allow the 25pder to relocate. (and if you are at it the vickers and 17pd too?)

I've relocated 17 pounders before. Are you sure its bugged?

[LuAn]

Maybe one thing that can be implemented as a start is to allow the 25pder to relocate. (and if you are at it the vickers and 17pd too?)

I've relocated 17 pounders before. Are you sure its bugged?

Might be mistaken about that been some time till i played engineers. sorry

[Raio]

25p is 9 killed popcap for me.
(RCA doc. may change it, hopefully.)