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[IIPraeToriaNII]

make it t3 then and move inspired assault to t1( terrors is t1 anyway,) and tiger to t2, makes no difference...
while theyre at it, where should they move the 2 'TBA' doctrine choices?
sounds like your having a problem with p4's....and forgetting the doctrines are not finished.

[pqumsieh]

improved barrels as a t3 is still too powerful. It could work as a T4 but nothing else imo.

[EliteGren]

No way in hell man.

[pqumsieh]

+5 or so range for all tanks is too powerful elite, any good player would abuse the fuk out of that and just kite all infantry. Only ATG's would stand in a good players way. And ATG's are easily avoided since they are slow to move. Range buffs should be scarce, bottom line.

PQ

[gamesguy2]

Just remove the freaking thing if no one can agree on what tier.  Armor has no range buffs and its THE tank doctrine.  Blitz has elite infantry(storms), so why do they have better tanks than armor?

Change it to a penetration buff like tungsten tipping.

[IIPraeToriaNII]

Just remove the freaking thing if no one can agree on what tier.  Armor has no range buffs and its THE tank doctrine.  Blitz has elite infantry(storms), so why do they have better tanks than armor?

Change it to a penetration buff like tungsten tipping.

theyre called heat rounds, how about they get field repairs then, right? oh, no thats too op....hmmm

since when did this become a democracy?

"better" is a relative term...

[gamesguy2]

Just remove the freaking thing if no one can agree on what tier.  Armor has no range buffs and its THE tank doctrine.  Blitz has elite infantry(storms), so why do they have better tanks than armor?

Change it to a penetration buff like tungsten tipping.

theyre called heat rounds, how about they get field repairs then, right? oh, no thats too op....hmmm

I'll trade you field repairs for storms, deal?

since when did this become a democracy?

"better" is a relative term...

You're right, its not a democracy, you are just trolling.

[bbsmith]

I'll trade you field repairs for storms, deal?

I'd advise you to take that trade. In theory, trading a free unlock for a T3 should be a good deal.

[acker]

I'll trade you field repairs for storms, deal?

I'd advise you to take that trade. In theory, trading a free unlock for a T3 should be a good deal.

In theory, of course. Storms in Armor Company would be better than Field Repairs in pretty much every way.

[IIPraeToriaNII]

Just remove the freaking thing if no one can agree on what tier.  Armor has no range buffs and its THE tank doctrine.  Blitz has elite infantry(storms), so why do they have better tanks than armor?

Change it to a penetration buff like tungsten tipping.

theyre called heat rounds, how about they get field repairs then, right? oh, no thats too op....hmmm

I'll trade you field repairs for storms, deal?

since when did this become a democracy?

"better" is a relative term...

You're right, its not a democracy, you are just trolling.

whos trolling?, youve been....in your own post no less, do the math.

[gamesguy2]

I'll trade you field repairs for storms, deal?

I'd advise you to take that trade. In theory, trading a free unlock for a T3 should be a good deal.

Its pretty funny isnt it when a free unlock is vastly better than a tier 3.

Elite infantry as free unlocks has ruined the balance.

[bbsmith]

Especially since some doctrines get unlocks that no one uses.

AKA Stuka.

[acker]

Especially since some doctrines get unlocks that no one uses.

Are you talking about the T17? If so...well, you're right. Storms>>>Field Repairs>T17s.

There are 2.5 times more Stukas on the leaderboard than there are T17s (16 to 6). Which still sucks, but doesn't suck as much.

ON TOPIC.

[bbsmith]

I had a vet 2 T17. Did just about NOTHING.

[SaintPauli]

Its pretty funny isnt it when a free unlock is vastly better than a tier 3.
Elite infantry as free unlocks has ruined the balance.

If you want elite infantry then buy a reinforcement package. Maybe we should just remove the Elite infantry from the reinforcement packages?

[acker]

Its pretty funny isnt it when a free unlock is vastly better than a tier 3.
Elite infantry as free unlocks has ruined the balance.

If you want elite infantry then buy a reinforcement package. Maybe we should just remove the Elite infantry from the reinforcement packages?

Reinforcement packages are free? Since when?

I'm pretty sure that you took his quote somewhat out of context. He was comparing the example of free unlock of Storms in Blitz to the T3 Field Repair in Armor, which was part of Praetorian's doctrinal argument against nerfing Improved Barrels.

[gamesguy2]

Its pretty funny isnt it when a free unlock is vastly better than a tier 3.
Elite infantry as free unlocks has ruined the balance.

If you want elite infantry then buy a reinforcement package. Maybe we should just remove the Elite infantry from the reinforcement packages?

So blitz doesn't get a reinforcement package? 

[SaintPauli]

Its pretty funny isnt it when a free unlock is vastly better than a tier 3.
Elite infantry as free unlocks has ruined the balance.

If you want elite infantry then buy a reinforcement package. Maybe we should just remove the Elite infantry from the reinforcement packages?

So blitz doesn't get a reinforcement package? 

They do. But now all other axis doctrines can have what used to be special about blitz... And what should Blitz buy? Non paradroppable Falshirmjäegers?

[Smokaz]

Blitz as a base doctrine can benefit from most of the reinforcement packages, hand on my heart I speak the truth.

TH: Hetzer is gonna rape with barrels and heat rounds, if you want that.
Scorched: Hello mortar halftrack. Awesome for wehr. Hello healing. Hello anti sniper.
Luft: Hello flamepio halftracks. Certified ownage.

Imo its the blitz reinforcement package that is too good, not the others that is too good of the werh reinforcement packages. PE gets storms, mgs and a main battle tank from the same wehr reinforcement pack. Hello, I am best?

Defensive should give:

Officer
Pak
Mg
Mortar

(All standoff/defensively/static units + 1 doctrinally special. Stuka remains a Def only option)

Terror:

Nebel (this should never have been a defensive weapon, its sheer nature demands that its a terror unit)
Sniper
Kch
Grenadiers

(All very fitting units of the terror doctrine. "Terrorizing artillery", harassing sniper, sniper immune laderhosen guys, grenaders)

Blitz
Volks (blitz, overwhelming numbers, spam, volks. A natural explanation!)
P4
Flammenwerfer HT (assault unit)
Stug OR Stormies (maybe, blitz loses the most flavour of all the other elite inf by these being so available)

[IIPraeToriaNII]

comparing fruits and vegetables is hilarious......

why dont you just say------"NOT FAIR!".....