Piat Ambush

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[gamesguy2]

Currently, piat ambush gives the following bonuses:

+200% accuracy, +50% damage, plus several volleys without decloaking.

You can basically activate it anywhere with cover including in the middle of combat.

I think this ability was needed and fine with the old piats, but with the new piats, which are already effective without ambush, the piat ambush ability is overpowered.   One volley from the new piat in ambush will do 430 damage to an unskirted P4 and 324 damage to a skirted one.   Basically half to 2/3 the health of an axis medium tank.

Perhaps make it a purchased upgrade?   In return the turn while in cloak option could be enabled so the piats don't have to be facing the right direction while in ambush.

[Mukip]

Even with the accuracy bonus the shots often miss.  A P4 will come driving by, the Sappers will shoot and both projectiles will simply fly by the tank because it's moving.  I would take any other handheld AT weapon over a Piat (aside from Boys AT rifle) so I'm not convinced they suddenly need nerfing.

[Smokaz]

Boo with sappers, they come in their rape carriers taking on much more expensive units and when their carrier gets blown up they CLOAK next to its green cover wreck and start raping you all over again.
It needs looking at, piats are being used as mainline AT. Ambush is more than good enough with its damage bonus and cloak, and who the fuck moves their tank to avoid cloaked units? The whole point of cloak is to strike at vulnerable moment, not to give extra volleys of unreturned fire around a bren carrier wreck. It doesnt make sense.

[gamesguy2]

Yes, thats the other aspect thats retarded.

You destroy a bren carrier with piats inside, and the piats cloak right next to the bren carrier wreck and start shooting with 200% more accuracy and 50% more damage.

[Tymathee]

okay then, how about changing it to the current pak cloak? One shot and thats it.

[Malevolence]

Oh noez, piats in clown cars. No different than PE Schreks in clown cars or fucking stormtroopers.

[wildsolus]

piats cloaking when the bren carrier blows up is the allied version of storms getting suppressed by BARs or hmg's and cloaking magically.

[anthony210]

Oh noez, piats in clown cars. No different than PE Schreks in clown cars or fucking stormtroopers.

Stormtroopers do not fire from inside the axis clown car.  You need a PE halftrack to do that.  PE can clown car with tankbusters but its not nearly as effective as a bren carrier with piats.

Blitz can clown car to a point with stormtroopers, however the halftrack has to stop and the stormtroopers have to get out for them to fire.  Which makes them much more vulnerable.

[Malevolence]

Stormtroopers do not fire from inside the axis clown car.  You need a PE halftrack to do that.  PE can clown car with tankbusters but its not nearly as effective as a bren carrier with piats.

Oh no? Because my PE clown car can kill infantry also as well as tanks.

Furthermore, I have seen stormtroopers inside an IHT before, which was not my point at all, by the way.

Blitz can clown car to a point with stormtroopers, however the halftrack has to stop and the stormtroopers have to get out for them to fire.  Which makes them much more vulnerable.

Why the fuck would you clown car stormtroopers. It's called "I AM INVISIBLE AND AM ABLE TO ONESHOT YOUR TANK AT VET 3". It's an instant tank rape squad with no warning whatsoever. It's like PIAT cloak piats, except they can move around and have super nuclear grenades.

[anthony210]

Stormtroopers do not fire from inside the axis clown car.  You need a PE halftrack to do that.  PE can clown car with tankbusters but its not nearly as effective as a bren carrier with piats.

Oh no? Because my PE clown car can kill infantry also as well as tanks.

Furthermore, I have seen stormtroopers inside an IHT before, which was not my point at all, by the way.

Blitz can clown car to a point with stormtroopers, however the halftrack has to stop and the stormtroopers have to get out for them to fire.  Which makes them much more vulnerable.

Why the fuck would you clown car stormtroopers. It's called "I AM INVISIBLE AND AM ABLE TO ONESHOT YOUR TANK AT VET 3". It's an instant tank rape squad with no warning whatsoever. It's like PIAT cloak piats, except they can move around and have super nuclear grenades.

I did not even talk about anything you just said.  I was simply responding to someone who said you can clown car with Stormtroopers. 

Do PE have stormtroopers? No.  Does blitz have clown cars that allow the stormtroopers to fire their schreks? No.  Hence blitz Stormtroopers cannot clown car the same as a piat squad in a bren carrier. 

Why do you respond to all my posts in a hostile manner...  Relax

[jackmccrack]

Do PE have stormtroopers? No.  Does blitz have clown cars that allow the stormtroopers to fire their schreks? No.  Hence blitz Stormtroopers cannot clown car the same as a piat squad in a bren carrier.

Yo dawg have you hear about this new thing called Reinforcements? It's p. sweet yo.

[anthony210]

Do PE have stormtroopers? No.  Does blitz have clown cars that allow the stormtroopers to fire their schreks? No.  Hence blitz Stormtroopers cannot clown car the same as a piat squad in a bren carrier.

Yo dawg have you hear about this new thing called Reinforcements? It's p. sweet yo.

You gonna spend an assload of PP just so you can clowncar some stormtroopers, that company would probably suck and you would spending mad amounts of pp per game..  I sure as hell am not.  And not everyone has that reinforcement option yet or at all.

Stormtroopers are fine with out the clown car.  Like Male said, they can sneak behind and eat your vet 3s!

[jackmccrack]

I'm just saying PE can get Storms in IHTs 

[Malevolence]

I did not even talk about anything you just said.

Oh noez, piats in clown cars. No different than PE Schreks in clown cars or fucking stormtroopers.

Stormtroopers do not fire from inside the axis clown car.  You need a PE halftrack to do that.  PE can clown car with tankbusters but its not nearly as effective as a bren carrier with piats.

Blitz can clown car to a point with stormtroopers, however the halftrack has to stop and the stormtroopers have to get out for them to fire.  Which makes them much more vulnerable.

I was simply responding to someone who said you can clown car with Stormtroopers.

Oh noez, piats in clown cars. No different than PE Schreks in clown cars or fucking stormtroopers.

Do PE have stormtroopers? No.  Does blitz have clown cars that allow the stormtroopers to fire their schreks? No.  Hence blitz Stormtroopers cannot clown car the same as a piat squad in a bren carrier.

Yo dawg have you hear about this new thing called Reinforcements? It's p. sweet yo.

Why do you respond to all my posts in a hostile manner...  Relax

Who the fuck are you? And when have I ever responded to your posts?

Like Male said, they can sneak behind and eat your vet 3s!

I never said that. I said stormtroopers at vet 3 can oneshot a tank, not that stormtroopers can oneshot a tank that has vet 3. I guess my nonliteral exaggeration should be applied sparingly with results like this.


The point, by the way, that you completely missed is that a stormtrooper squad is much more effective at raping a tank to death than a PIAT squad in any kind of vehicle will EVER be, while PE Schreks in a halftrack can kill both tanks and infantry, something clown car'd PIATs distinctly cannot do very well.


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You gonna spend an assload of PP just so you can clowncar some stormtroopers, that company would probably suck and you would spending mad amounts of pp per game..  I sure as hell am not.  And not everyone has that reinforcement option yet or at all

The point is you don't oversupply on disposable shitty clown car halftracks because their job in life is to take shots for your valuable anti-tank unit because that would be retarded.

And you don't suicide the stormtroopers. Because, again, that would be retarded.

[anthony210]

This is actually the second time you have responded like this.  The first time was to one of my posts on the Stacked Games thread.  Both times you responded like an angry person!  And again just now...

That aside, your right I though you meant storms are good at hunting vet 3s (which they are).  I disagree that storms in clowncars are more effective than PIATS in a clowncar though.  Ive been on the receiving end of someone who uses the gimmick bren carrier rush starts, I beat it both times but it is very annoying and it CAN defeat someone that is not prepared for it.  And PIATS in my experience seem to kill infantry much better than a schrek can.

Basically what I am saying is as a Blitz player with Storms, you really do not have the resources to be putting your storms in a clown car.  You can do it if you really want to yes, but It wont be nearly as effective as the british strategy.  Thats all,  I am not saying Storms are underpowered because they are not.  I am not saying PIATS are better than storms in General (I would take a Stormtrooper with Schreks over a PIAT squad any day).  I am saying PIATS in bren carriers are more effective than stormtroopers in halftracks.

[Lemures]

Switch Piat cloak for Storm Cloak. Loverly... LOL

AND yes I see PE with more stormies than some Blitz battalions.

[spinn72]

the accuracy of a PIAT does not matter in most ambush circumstances, its the damage and cloak factor.  The several shots shouldn't happen, it should be 1 or 2 shots max until decloak, like falls were adjusted to be now.

[Lemures]

They get 2 shots then de-cloak, or if they turn too far on the first shot they de-cloak instantly anyways.

[Malevolence]

This is actually the second time you have responded like this.  The first time was to one of my posts on the Stacked Games thread.  Both times you responded like an angry person!  And again just now...

I never responded to you in the Stacked Games thread, in fact you have only posted once, and after all of my posts.

Maybe I would respond more kindly if what you said wasn't a lie or misinterpretation 100% of the time.

[anthony210]

This is actually the second time you have responded like this.  The first time was to one of my posts on the Stacked Games thread.  Both times you responded like an angry person!  And again just now...

I never responded to you in the Stacked Games thread, in fact you have only posted once, and after all of my posts.

Maybe I would respond more kindly if what you said wasn't a lie or misinterpretation 100% of the time.

I have not lied at all.  And I mistook something one time.  Sorry.  I accidently posted as aklein210 in the other thread a few times.

What do I have to gain by lying?...  I am not trying to get Stormtroopers buffed or nerfed, nor am I trying to get PIATS or bren carriers buffed or nerfed.  I was only pointing something out.  Then you come on here cursing at me...