M10s or M18s? which is better?

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[NCOIC]

as I said!  

[Illegal_Carrot]

The Hellcat Ambush can be pretty brutal, but they're pretty crap otherwise.

M10s are much better, I'd say.

[Talas]

Depending on ur gamestyle I would say. I used M18 with Sherman, enemy sees a lone Sherman and r going like: "z0mg, n00b-Sherman, my P4 will r@pe it beoynd the staaars, gogogo!" and BOOM! Headshot!

M10 is pure better and can be used in frontal engagment or circling. This means that the M10 is a aggresive tank the M18 is a defensive.

(Don't go for the mg if u r planning on bringing it early, IMO)

[Two]

Depending on ur gamestyle I would say. I used M18 with Sherman, enemy sees a lone Sherman and r going like: "z0mg, n00b-Sherman, my P4 will r@pe it beoynd the staaars, gogogo!" and BOOM! Headshot!

M10 is pure better and can be used in frontal engagment or circling. This means that the M10 is a aggresive tank the M18 is a defensive.

(Don't go for the mg if u r planning on bringing it early, IMO)

Depends i like to charge the m18 in, hit halt and cloak as soon as i see the tank so it should slide to a stop cloaked then pwn half the hp of the p4

[Unkn0wn]

I prefer the M10: faster, more reliable and slightly more resilient.

[Talas]

Except for the duds then Unknown?

[Unkn0wn]

It happens but it's better than the M18 failing to penetrate a Panther in the rear.
/facepalm

[deadbolt]

It happens but it's better than the M18 failing to penetrate a Panther in the rear.
/facepalm

even though the hellcat outranges panther ;(

[Mysthalin]

It happens but it's better than the M18 failing to penetrate a Panther in the rear.
/facepalm

even though the hellcat outranges panther ;(

Hellcat base range - 46.
Panther base range 47.5.
How?!

[Ununoctium]

It happens but it's better than the M18 failing to penetrate a Panther in the rear.
/facepalm

even though the hellcat outranges panther ;(

Hellcat base range - 46.
Panther base range 47.5.
How?!

Sometimes even Deadbolt makes mistakes.

The hellcat needs some changing in this mod.
I know we stopped modding units but seriously the hellcat needs more penetration otherwise it's stupid.
I know I'm ignoring some other flaws in it but it need double the penetration it has now and then we'll see if it's still bonkers useless.

[Two]

I dont see whats wrong with the hellcat, it penetrates p4s most the time, last game i was penetrating a vet 3 tiger quite easily, although i did shit all damage to it.

[Ununoctium]

I dont see whats wrong with the hellcat, it penetrates p4s most the time, last game i was penetrating a vet 3 tiger quite easily, although i did shit all damage to it.

Did you have tungsten tipping or vet?

[Two]

no vet 0 inf company, and it works for me

[CryingWolf]

I say M18, since if it pentrates it can do some INSANE damage. Although, that could because they have doctrine, Pretty sure its the tank itself though ^^

[Tymathee]

I like them both tbh. I used to run a 3 m10 2 m18 company in my infantry account before I had reapers and I'd take rape all the time. I started to learn how to kite with my m10's and get off a shot or 2 at p4's before they even got a shot off at me, M18's feel a little clunkier but they're great to use with at guns, I like to put them to the side of an advance, cloak, take some shot on my at gun and then sneak up behind tanks and make 'em stop retreating and hit them in the butt with m18 while the tank is still getting hit with at rounds

BTW - Armor doc need some more love...If you get all the upgrades that'll effect a sherman, a p4 with improved barrels and heat rounds will still rape it. I especially think improved barrels really tips the scale.

I'd love to see something different like a doctrine ability that affect the .50 cal hmg on american vehicles that makes it stronger and/or deal more suppression. Or something that improves american armor speed by say 5-10% I think would be great and really make the armor doc different.

[acker]

I dont see whats wrong with the hellcat, it penetrates p4s most the time, last game i was penetrating a vet 3 tiger quite easily, although i did shit all damage to it.

That makes no sense. The Hellcat's gun is nearly identical to the M10 gun, with the exception that it has 40% of the M10's penetration at long range, 55% at medium, and 65% at short (but no windup). An M10 will always penetrate a vet0 Panzer IV, but a M18 will only penetrate around half the time at long range.

I like Hellcats because they look awesome, but watching Ambush shots miss/deflect makes me die a little inside. Hawkins mines are fun, I'm still trying to figure out how to use these effectively.

[RikiRude]

agreed, hellcat needs some kind of balancing. sometimes it does amazing, and sometimes it is worthless.

if left in its current state, id say a pop reduction would help it out.

but right now when it works, it works great. you cloak it next to your atg, and that atg won't get flanked because whatever is trying to get it will usually focus on the hellcat. of course since this thing has about as much health as a skirted m8, if you don't kill whatever you are attacking and take even one shot from it, youll probably have to heal if you want to keep it on.

but right now in my infantry company i run 4 shermans, no m10s or hellcats, and 4 atgs.

[acker]

I think the Hellcat should remain an inferior combat vehicle. However, I think its ambush capabilities should be buffed so ambush consistently does something. 100% penetration and a boost to accuracy should be added.

Same bonuses should also apply to the Hetzer, of course...there was a thread about ineffective Hetzer ambush.

[bbsmith]

Improved Barrels and German Steel make it useless.

[crimsonrabbit]

I think the Hellcat should remain an inferior combat vehicle. However, I think its ambush capabilities should be buffed so ambush consistently does something. 100% penetration and a boost to accuracy should be added.

Same bonuses should also apply to the Hetzer, of course...there was a thread about ineffective Hetzer ambush.

Hetzer.....heh, I think if I take a crap and toss it at a sherman it will penetrate better than a hetzer. My urine penetrates better than a hetzer. Plz not only add that penetration bonus on ambush to the hetzer but have something that can help the hetzer's penetration or my tank hunter company has another useless unit in it.