Reduce Grenadier Price

[Guest]

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever

Login with username, password and session length

[Aggamemnon]

I was totally against this on principle at first (grens kick arse imo).

The point with the flamer does it for me though.
I only use a single flamer in my Battalion, and I had it tuned perfectly to 0-Ma / 0-Mu / 30-Fu and it totally through my company off paying the extra 5.

More and more lately, it is coming down to the last man (although not the last tank). Having that extra pioneer can make the difference.

[Tymathee]

Wehr get volks and grens, you can field up to 20 mainline infantry, rca gets canadian and tommies (14 each), luft get 10 and 14, but everone else has 14 mainline infantry. Leave the price as is.

[Ununoctium]

I don't understand your argument Tymathee

[Bubz]

Vetted grens with lmg are still worth 2-3 rifle squads.

[Ununoctium]

and vetted rifles with bars and nades are worth 2-3 gren squads.

Ironically bar vs lmg is a weird pricing battle we've had for a while.

[Bubz]

and vetted rifles with bars and nades are worth 2-3 gren squads.

Ironically bar vs lmg is a weird pricing battle we've had for a while.

absolutly not, they cost more munitions and 2 grens still kill them.

[Aggamemnon]

Agree with Bubs, Vetted Grens kick arse with LMG's

[Ununoctium]

so now this changed from a cheaper gren to a more expensive lmg thread?

how about cheaper (-10)  basic grens but add a manpower cost to the lmg (+10)?

[Bubz]

so now this changed from a cheaper gren to a more expensive lmg thread?

Nope, I said why are vetted grens better in any aspect than rifles. They're priced correctly. And the lmg increase their performance a lot, more than what would a BAR do for rifles, you also have to consider the whole enviroment, grens are far more resistant than rifles to enemy indirect fire, like that random tank shell or mortar hit or mg burst (which is the biggest weakness of riflemen), not to talk about medikit...

[Tymathee]

I don't understand your argument Tymathee

My argument is simple. Wehr have two types of main infantry, both availability 8 and both are pretty powerful. a vanila gren beats a vanilla rifle every-time, volks about even but rifles will win just by numbers. Rifles with bar not using suppression vs gren with lmg, gren wins everytime.

So, my point is, you dont need to lower the price. If you want to lower the price of the main infantry most wehr companies use, then you sh ould lower the price of tommies which are 255 to the grens 240. Yo dont have to buy grens, buy volks, they're 185, the cheapest mainline infantry in the mod but of course you want grens cuz they're stronger, hence why they don't need a price increase. The fact that ther'es a shit ton of highly vetted grens is evidenced that they have a high survivability and that their vet is precious to the owner. No, leave it as is as i could make a similar argument for the brits tommies that they should be cheaper as they are the most expensive mainly infantry in the mod and the only infantry that the brits can pick, wehr have volks as an alternative.

did that explain it enough?

[Smokaz]

Uh 1 grenadier squad with a lmg, and no doctrinal abilities > 3 rifles? Thats bs.

Volks are crap at combat. Rifles are the most awesome infantry in the game, its just that most people use them as fodder. I did not struggle with grenadiers when I was leveling up my infantry, and they now have all the support and buffs I could ever dream of. They have more health, they deal more damage, they have healing, they have numbers.. they have lower vet requirements.

Right now I think both rifle and grenadier pricing is about right.

[Mysthalin]

I thought the thread name was a joke.

Grenadiers... cost less?
You not on crack, I hope? Because it seems like it.

Grenadiers have two weaknesses : snipers and sniper Dave that mans the 57 mm at times. Both of which can be countered.

Comparing squad health is pointless - a squad with 30 men in it, each with 15 health may sound nice in theory - 450 health total :O - but it will lose a man from each K98 shot, dieing like hell within the first few seconds of engagement.

The Grenadier is at a far greater advantage than just 25 percent when compared to the rifleman. Put an officer to supervise a gren squad, and the grens will snipe a rifleman a volley at medium range - guaranteed.

The pricing is quite indeed OK.

[Bubz]

Uh 1 vetted grenadier squad with a lmg, and no doctrinal abilities > 3 rifles? Thats bs.

and it's more close to two, but still...

[Aggamemnon]

Fine the way it is, played a bit more with these now

[RikiRude]

lol i think most of the community can agree rifle/volk/gren pricing is the most balanced it has been.

my only gripe as a US player is this. You have a random 180 MP left over after supplying your company. not enough for a rifle squad, so you have to grab a random eng squad (assuming you are out of fuel) as an axis player you can trade in a volks squad and get a gren squad. but it's always been this way, so it's not really a big deal to me. it's just one of the things i enjoy about played wher, there are lots of ways to use up the most of your MP and muni.

[Tymathee]

another necro thread? Come on who's doing this. Agg stop pulling up dead threads man.

[Malevolence]

I thought the thread name was a joke.

Grenadiers... cost less?
You not on crack, I hope? Because it seems like it.

Grenadiers have two weaknesses : snipers and sniper Dave that mans the 57 mm at times. Both of which can be countered.

Actually I heard the units talking in-game, Dave is an engineer contrary to popular belief.