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[HansVonLuk]

I like this unit, its fun to play with, but its not very cost effective AI. We are not talking about the schreck upgrade as i dont really use them and think that they are about right, what we are talking about is the MP44 upgrades. MP44 are over priced for what then can do now, this is diffrent from in the passed and they where one of the most feared units.  Now however with the introduction of orther units for OP and TOV the lonely stormtroop MP44 combo is rarley used.  I have used them, now an before and they have decreast in the effectiveness for there cost.   There are alot of powerful infantry units out there but they dont cosy as much as a fully upgraded squad.  Dont you think that 175 mu is a little pricy considering unit like commados which are 165, and IMO one of the best AI in the game.   Yes there 50 mp more but that represent a massive health boost and the abilities to get upspressed.  I think maybe a price reduction would be inorder.  Instead of having to pay for two upgrade why not just have a single upgrade that does the whole squad, say around 120.  Slightly more than KCH and assault grens but at the end of the day they do the same damage.  I will still use stormtrooper but not with MP44 upgrades at there current price.

[Pak88mm]

its not the mp44s is the storms that are borked.

[CommanderHolt]

Quite frankly, I don't think the fear of Stormtroopers have diminished even with introduction of OF and TOV units.

They are still one of the only units that can pop up out of thin air with no warning on your flank with Bundle Grenades/MP44s and destroy your infantry with fearful ease. Enough of them can still alpha strike unsuspecting armour units with Panzershrecks.

Price maybe in question but, they still maintain their Fear factor (especially against CW).

[Tymathee]

Really? You get a cheap cloaked scout + ambush unit? Snipers are 500+ mu and 200 muni and Storms are 300

you wanna know how much a Ranger costs?

330 mp and 80mu + 140 for thompson and 40 for nades.

bundle nades are 45 and able to sneak up to hmgs and well anything and toss the nade dito the mp44 and schrecks.

Oh yeah, there's also the med pack that you can get. Take a hit, run back, cloak, heal. If anything, I think it doesn't cost enough.

Storms 300

Comparable prices/units

Grens 240
Tommies 255
KCH 320 110
Commandos 350 165
Ranges 330 80
Assault Grens 210 95
Assault Flam Grens 215 110

so i ca'nt see why you'd get on them about their price, plus it's 4 men and they each get 95 health, which is the most of any unit. After that is 90 and 85 for grens and kch. Maybe its just the way you're using them, they're the best unit for their price in the whole mod, seriously...they need a price increase for all they get.

[Demon767]

Yeaa you gotta remember Storms can alpha shot a tank, and for that the price should stay at 330

[Mysthalin]

Stormie health - 95 * 4 = 380.
KCH health - 90 *3/4 = 270/360.
Grenadier health - 80 *4 = 320.
Commando health - 65 * 6 = 390.

Even if I believe that squad healths are completely useless and shouldn't be compared - it's the health per man that matters.
You forget the fact the stormie can get one MP44 upgrade that is only slightly less powerful than the double MP44 variant. There was a readon why dual MP44 storms were ignored back in vEiR - having just a single MP44 was quite sufficient.

[spinn72]

Stormtroopers are fine as it is.  You'll find on any 1 day they can destroy the entire team on their own, or sometimes they'll just die the first time the enemy spots them luckily having some random inf finding them.

Stormtroopers are a risky investment, you know you're throwing so much into 1 or 2 squads but you'll have to micro them really well and take good care of them to make the most out of them.

[Dragon2008]

Yeaa you gotta remember Storms can alpha shot a tank, and for that the price should stay at 330

HansVonLuk isn't on about the price of the unit or the price of the shreks but the price of the 44's. I'v got to say that I don't see many stormies with 44's anymore and I don't really fear them if they don't av shreks cos once you av spotted them you rush them with commandos/ranger or bar squads and overpower them with sheer numbers and firepower.

[Rocksitter]

 I think A price decrease for the 44s on Storms is in order....

[CafeMilani]

they also increased their price to 320 MP..
as ABs cost 280, storms trrpers should cost 260-270 MP

[spinn72]

since we are at the testing stage, i think 160 munitions sounds fair for Mp44s (75 for the first 2 and 85 for the next 2).  They're not way overpriced as they are right now.

I just don't want to see Mp44 stormies taking over the role of LMG grenadiers, otherwise allies will run out of jeeps very quickly.

they also increased their price to 320 MP..
as ABs cost 280, storms trrpers should cost 260-270 MP

Aloha, its the Airborne that are the wrong price there, they should be brought up to the stormtroopers price.

[Smokaz]

I dont use em either with 1 or 2 mp44 upgrades, they are just not cost-effective

[Baine]

The manpower cost of stormtroopers is ok, the stg44 cost on the other hand should indeed go down.

My idea would be to get rid of the dual Stg44 upgrade and instead make it one upgrade for the price of 120 munitions.

And yes the AB price is another problem, they should go up to 300 at least.

[Demon767]

Yeaa you gotta remember Storms can alpha shot a tank, and for that the price should stay at 330

HansVonLuk isn't on about the price of the unit or the price of the shreks but the price of the 44's. I'v got to say that I don't see many stormies with 44's anymore and I don't really fear them if they don't av shreks cos once you av spotted them you rush them with commandos/ranger or bar squads and overpower them with sheer numbers and firepower.

someone said changed manpower...

[HansVonLuk]

I dont use em either with 1 or 2 mp44 upgrades, they are just not cost-effective

This is exactly the point Im trying to make. Im not assking for a reduction of MP or a reduction in the price od shrecks, Im asking for a reduction in the cost of MP44s.  At  175 they have to do alot before dying to pay for there cost, hence why droping in to 120/130 for the full upgrade would make all the diffrence.  IMO LMGs of grens are greater than mp44s on Storms.  Storm dont really perform again CW troops that good, again rifle men they are still effective but that about it.  Even airbourne now no long fear the MP44 storms.

[Tymathee]

Still, stroms are cheaper than Rangers and do more than Rangers. Their upgrades cost more but thats only because bazookas suck. Anybody's who's had their tank gibbed by cloaked schreck storms can attect to how effective they are and with the new precision strike, they can cloak and then scout and drop off-maps anywhere they want without warning. There's a reason why blitz is the most played wehr doc, and its not the Stuh

[Killer344]

IMO LMGs of grens are greater than mp44s on Storms.

They serve differents roles, lmgs are defensive weapons while mp44s are assault weapons.

Still, stroms are cheaper than Rangers and do more than Rangers. Their upgrades cost more but thats only because bazookas suck. Anybody's who's had their tank gibbed by cloaked schreck storms can attect to how effective they are.

And easy to beat them if you know the *secret ways to do it*, rangers can always fire up to GTFO and heal.

[HansVonLuk]

Really? You get a cheap cloaked scout + ambush unit? Snipers are 500+ mu and 200 muni and Storms are 300

what about airbourne strafe, instant kill sniper and officer every game.  I have played like 6 games and in 5 of them i have lost a sniper or and officer to a strafe.  I hate it but thats the game.  Plus that dam brit sniper that is ni unkillable, fire storm right on top of him and he didnt more kill aftter the barrage hit and he survive.

[HansVonLuk]

IMO LMGs of grens are greater than mp44s on Storms.

They serve differents roles, lmgs are defensive weapons while mp44s are assault weapons.

Ok, yes they are assualt but at pure AI grens seem to out preform them for less.  I regularly get vet 1 gren with a lmg in a game, I rarely get vet 1 stormies in a game because target they are after are that much tuffer and deal alot more hurt.  The onlt thing i would relly want to ambush would be rifle men.  Brit blobs stay together making then not an easy target and airbourne blobs are going to win against mp44 stormie so whats left, of yeah ranage and commandos.  So Stormies with MP44 are left with attacking pios and rifle men, what a great unit.

[Mysthalin]

Please try taking on 2 MP44 stormies (+- Bundle nades) with an RR blob of 6 RRs. I think you know what the outcome will be.