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[HansVonLuk]

Please try taking on 2 MP44 stormies (+- Bundle nades) with an RR blob of 6 RRs. I think you know what the outcome will be.

yes, but what about rifle AB? they really put the hurt on these guys, and come on what do you expect when you blob AT inf?

[AmPM]

There is no reason the MP44 double upgrade should cost more than 150. Look at the price and platform for Thompsons and Sten guns. Both have a way to get out of a bad situation, both have 6 men, 1 deploys anywhere it wants really, the other has awesome armor and a lot of health.

Mp44 should be changed to 1 upgrade, all 4 men, 150ish MU total.

Schrek price is fine, bundle nade is fine, medkit is fine

[Killer344]

IMO LMGs of grens are greater than mp44s on Storms.

They serve differents roles, lmgs are defensive weapons while mp44s are assault weapons.

Ok, yes they are assualt but at pure AI grens seem to out preform them for less.

You can't charge and kill a mando or a smg ranger with an LMG gren + nade + medkit, but you can for sure do it with a bundle nade + cloak + medkit + mp44. 

[HansVonLuk]

IMO LMGs of grens are greater than mp44s on Storms.

They serve differents roles, lmgs are defensive weapons while mp44s are assault weapons.

Ok, yes they are assualt but at pure AI grens seem to out preform them for less.

You can't charge and kill a mando or a smg ranger with an LMG gren + nade + medkit, but you can for sure do it with a bundle nade + cloak + medkit + mp44. 

You cannt hurt a blob with MP44 stormies, but you can hurt then and stop then charging you with LMG Grens.

[Killer344]

Assault nades ftw.

[HansVonLuk]

Assault nades ftw.

Maybe but now that becomes one very expensive unit, volt with assault are that much cheaper and deal the hurt with assault.  I just think that MP44s on Stormies are over price and need a reduction, a reduction would obviously be down to Dev discreation.

[Killer344]

You can also use blietzkrieg with mp44 to decrew all those 57s/6pdrs for your tanks, aka cloaked storms that can sprint, they have their uses, you have to find them, sigh.

[Tymathee]

The reason a lot of storms seem to get pwned by blobs is because a lot of people cloak them and use them out in the open. Put an mp44 storm in green cover and just let them pwn. Like i said before, they have 95 health, the mp44 is one of the 3 best close range weapons in the game, and each storm gets one of them. If you use expect one squad ot take on 2 or 3, you're going to lose, no unit can take on 2 or more squads at once.

It's all in the way you use them, I've seen some guys absolutely rape with storms and others utterly fail with them.

[HansVonLuk]

The reason a lot of storms seem to get pwned by blobs is because a lot of people cloak them and use them out in the open. Put an mp44 storm in green cover and just let them pwn. Like i said before, they have 95 health, the mp44 is one of the 3 best close range weapons in the game, and each storm gets one of them. If you use expect one squad ot take on 2 or 3, you're going to lose, no unit can take on 2 or more squads at once.

It's all in the way you use them, I've seen some guys absolutely rape with storms and others utterly fail with them.

really what about rangers.  Please keep staking the obvious.

[Mysthalin]

Ranger vs 2 MG crews.

You'll find some VERY dead rangers .

[vertigoanduminas]

Yeah I quit using 44s a long time ago, since they cost more than KCH 44s and don't fight as well. They may be sneaky but as soon as they pop out to fight they get pounced on and massacred because there are so few. You just can't afford to have enough to survive a commando or airborne blob, so they're one time uses. This is especially true with the nasty AT versions, which are useful if they're lucky enough to sneak all the way back to a repairing tank, but they rarely make it without being stumbled upon or when they do they are pinned by .50s or whatnot and the 280 mun price tag is never really worth it, save for entertainment. I could care less if they cost more MP since they're "so tough", the issue is that equipping them costs far too much for a single use unit.

BTW I don't want to hear about medkits when the Allied infantry can flocking around their triage centers at any time lol!

[Mysthalin]

*Drives around with his mobile triage*

Technology is only for the righteous race of germans, bwahahahaa.


(puny yankee).

[Ununoctium]

I guess I agree purely on the mp44.

They really aren't that much better than lmg so why more expensive?

[HansVonLuk]

Ranger vs 2 MG crews.

You'll find some VERY dead rangers .

MP44 are just not cost effect end of story, agree or dissagree but If they are to expensive then wont get use, and oh look no one is using them.  Does that tell you someting?

[bbsmith]

I guess I agree purely on the mp44.

They really aren't that much better than lmg so why more expensive?

Grenades on rangers cost more than grenades on Riflemen. They are exactly the same why are they more expensive?

I think they are more expensive since storms are elite infantry.

[Illegal_Carrot]

I guess I agree purely on the mp44.

They really aren't that much better than lmg so why more expensive?

Grenades on rangers cost more than grenades on Riflemen. They are exactly the same why are they more expensive?

I think they are more expensive since storms are elite infantry.

LMGs and 44s are completely different weapons, so I don't think they should be compared. A better comparison would be KCH's 44s vs Stom's 44s. They're both the same exact weapon, so it really comes down to the platform (Rangers are a better platform, that's why the exact same grenade costs more on them).
I'd say that the Storm MP44 should be about 70Mu for two, and 120-135Mu for four. No one ever takes four 44s, so the second two needs to be much cheaper to be viable.

[LuAn]

Um thread hijack:

FG42 Upgrade on Fallschirmjager: 120Mun

Why is it like that? Is it justified?

[Aggamemnon]

More than justified, they rock.

[CrazyWR]

used to be 140...

[Thepassenger]

I keep my flanking storms with double 44s, rest are far to expensive to even upgrade imo. lmgs far better investment, or a shrek.

They do seem overpriced for what they do.