CafeMilani
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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2009, 03:59:19 pm » |
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but it needs a serious price increase, definately.
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Demon767
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2009, 04:00:58 pm » |
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just because you think one unit is broken (jag) doesnt make having another unit broken Right.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2009, 05:35:31 pm » |
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It doesn't need a pop increase. FU would be fine.
but right now it can be used perfectly in a starting callin. even 2 crocs as a start. and tank shock is retarded too. |
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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2009, 06:08:49 pm » |
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tank shock is completely f'ing ridiculous...in an EIR environment, its (IMO) similar to treadbreaker as it was initially used before it was nerfed. I think if you make tank shock for one squad only, that'd be ok...
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1. New tactics? it's like JAWS, first one in the water dies
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2009, 03:36:45 am » |
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Tank shock needs to suppress in a 15 meter radius instantly. No pinning, and not across the whole screen.
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« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2009, 04:09:18 am » |
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I'd be ok with that...also I don't think it should continue to suppress more squads after the tank shock button has been hit as the tank drives towards them, but just my opinion.
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« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2009, 05:08:48 am » |
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yeah i think the range and the insta pin is the problem. Reduce the radius and make it suppression.
That way it dosen't instantly nullify schrecks but can still do a number on them.
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« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2009, 07:38:33 am » |
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I use a churchchill croc in my main callin at the start of the game and it hasnt died yet cos people jus rush AI with handheld AT thinking they will kill it. It really effective and it does need a price increase to maybe match the sherman croc.
People have to see though thats its a T3 unlock and can only get one unless u pay PP for the second. Also everyone is lvl 8 and can unlock every doctrine but by next reset you will see no churchchill croc for about 20 games.
Another thing is people keep using handheld AT, running upto the tank and then get tank shocked and either burned or ran over. You need to start using more heavy AT like a pak/marder 3 and back them up with a P4 or somekind of tank.
Most people will see the pak and either run away or try rushing it and if you have other AT support behind that pak its goin to result in a dead churchchill croc ( Also a dead pak which can be recrewed).
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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2009, 11:46:41 am » |
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Tank shock needs to suppress in a 15 meter radius instantly. No pinning, and not across the whole screen.
Tank shock is fine as it is,learn not to charge infantry towards a Churchill. A p4 or anything will beat a churchill,heck even a stug will beat it. |
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« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2009, 11:51:09 am » |
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Tank shock needs to suppress in a 15 meter radius instantly. No pinning, and not across the whole screen.
Tank shock is fine as it is,learn not to charge infantry towards a Churchill. A p4 or anything will beat a churchill,heck even a stug will beat it. I totally disagree with you, and agree with Mysthalin, tank shock needs to be tweaked a bit. |
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Malevolence
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« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2009, 12:02:51 pm » |
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croc is shit its main gun is the flamethrower, so u cant target specific tanks unless ur tryna melt them.
true but it target automatically tanks. the flamethrower kills inf in the meanwhile im sure relic changed that in a patch, i read the release notes myselve. did they changed it again? This was EiR:R and it was a failed attempt that broke the flamethrower in turn. Tank shock is lolz in the way superspeed Jagd is. It's funny because it's so ridiculous compared to the remainder of the game. |
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2009, 12:13:11 pm » |
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Tank shock needs to suppress in a 15 meter radius instantly. No pinning, and not across the whole screen.
Tank shock is fine as it is,learn not to charge infantry towards a Churchill. A p4 or anything will beat a churchill,heck even a stug will beat it. I totally disagree with you, and agree with Mysthalin, tank shock needs to be tweaked a bit. Its really counterable seriously a croc's gun is a joke,its a pure anti-inf tank they just put the gun there for shits and giggles Tank shock is the only thing that stops it from being charged by AT seriously you take that away,it will be useless |
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Malevolence
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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2009, 12:20:07 pm » |
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Definitely needs tank shock to deal with all those panzerschreks, its gun on top is a joke! Nevermind the fuckoff size flamethrower on the front.
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2009, 12:34:36 pm » |
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You people have to be joking...the Croc can absolutely obliterate infantry with the flame, it doesn't need the tank shock to do it...when I ran RE before the reset I had crocs that racked up 30+ infantry kills a game no problems consistently. Tank shock is a ridiculous ability. Like the original treadbreaker essentially meant a dead tank, this ability means instant retreat for infantry or death. There isn't any escaping it or surviving it. Thats not in the spirit of EIR gameplay...
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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2009, 12:47:29 pm » |
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The escaping/surviving of it comes into not engaging it with the wrong weapon. Similar to If I took my P4 into a group of brens backed up by a 6lb... there's be not escaping or surviving that either.
If you see one... back your infantry off, and move your heavy AT assets into place. Simple.
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« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2009, 01:22:24 pm » |
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the problem is that once you see one, you're tank shocked, and you're dead. There is no backing off.
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« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2009, 01:28:02 pm » |
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the problem is that once you see one, you're tank shocked, and you're dead. There is no backing off.
How close r u to these when you see them cos i know inf LOS is far enough to spot one and run away unless you rushed it with inf with no AT support or tank ot back it up. Using inf against a churchill is a stupid thing to do. Its an AI support tank. you send a pak or anykind of heavy AT against a croc churchill its dead. You could even use treadbreakers on it and its easy kill. |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #57 on: August 13, 2009, 01:29:58 pm » |
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Even a vanilla churchil is faster than infantry. A T1 Improved engies churchil is faster than sprinting infantry.
It's not that it's uncounterable, no. It's counterable in the same way a strafing run is - don't show yourself to the enemy, and you won't lose anything. Simple.
I personaly find it retarded tank shock pins infantry INSIDE HALFTRACKS AND BUILDINGS!!!
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« Reply #58 on: August 13, 2009, 01:39:49 pm » |
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I personaly find it retarded tank shock pins infantry INSIDE HALFTRACKS AND BUILDINGS!!!
are you serious? LOL |
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« Reply #59 on: August 13, 2009, 01:40:41 pm » |
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the problem is that once you see one, you're tank shocked, and you're dead. There is no backing off.
How close r u to these when you see them cos i know inf LOS is far enough to spot one and run away unless you rushed it with inf with no AT support or tank ot back it up. Using inf against a churchill is a stupid thing to do. Its an AI support tank. you send a pak or anykind of heavy AT against a croc churchill its dead. You could even use treadbreakers on it and its easy kill. Churchill is faster than sprinting infantry, how the fuck are you supposed to run away? If you see one 3 seconds later you are pinned. By that logic sherman croc, stuh, ostwind, P4 IST, etc should all get tank shock? |
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