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[Ununoctium]

I'm reviving this since there is a definite increase in survivability at vet 2. im 100% sure that massive health buff is still there.

[Unkn0wn]

Look in the rgds?
The vet 1 should be gone, the vet 2 one might still be there though.

[LeoPhone]

t17 is crazy. it just jumps over your support weapons, double shots them and leth the last guy retreat. support weapons have no chanse anymore - together with all other light vehicles spam.

and vs screcks it pwns too: hard to hit, alot of health and it snipes the infantry double shot. screck prize is ridiculus right now, they only work on micro storms, grenadiers just die without shooting even once.

and ofcourse any light vehicle with no AT, it defeats.

AND ITS CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LuAn]

Also the one thing that kinda bugs me is that the WP Shot works versus every PE vehicle, which i dont think is kinda "fair".

A T17 drives up to a 50mm/Marder, takes 1, 2 shots at max, but survives it easily because the T17 somehow dodges 50mm shots , then uses his stun and circle strafe the thing to death.

I propose the removal of the WP Effect on all open PE vehicles, im fine with hotchkiss, panther, p4ist etc, but i think the open ones should be somehow immune to this stun.

[Sharpshooter824]

LuAn You realize how bad the penetration oF T17s is? It phases or doesnt penetrate halftracks over 50% of the time. And bounces rear armor hits of medium tanks alot more then that, if anything the stun is to use in conjuction with another weapon but not alone to circle strafe..

[Ununoctium]

T17 is an ostwind that can't penetrate vehicles, loses its engine to mortars, has less range and accuracy and damage.

[Sharpshooter824]

Yup, Ununoctium pretty much sums that up..to be able to snipe infy well you need to be sitting still with it and fire at least 3-4 shots to kill one infantry man unless you get lucky and the accuracy decides to be nice and snipe it in 2 shots or so

[LeoPhone]

T17 is an ostwind that can't penetrate vehicles, loses its engine to mortars, has less range and accuracy and damage.

and its 1/3rd the price.....

and about accuracy: just vet it up.

[Sharpshooter824]

1/3 the price is bullcrap, sec lemme go look it up

Ostwind:MP 400 ; F 175 (Not Doctrinal..)

T17: MP 315 ; 50  (Doctrinal)

[Ununoctium]

actually:
T17                          Ostwind
Manpower 315  400
Munitions  80    30
Fuel              50   175

so its a lot cheaper in fuel, not much cheaper in MP but higher in muni.

[AmPM]

Infantry in IHTs still shoots, T17 takes literally forever to kill a halftrack, try supporting it.

[LuAn]

LuAn You realize how bad the penetration oF T17s is? It phases or doesnt penetrate halftracks over 50% of the time. And bounces rear armor hits of medium tanks alot more then that, if anything the stun is to use in conjuction with another weapon but not alone to circle strafe..

http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound

Im not quite sure on how this all adds up, but according to this target table, the Staghound has a penetration of 4 versus the 50mm/ATHT/IHT/MTHT and 0.5 versus the Marder considering he gets into short range.

I dont really have a problem with the performance of the t17 versus Tanks or so, but the T17 seems to be able to destroy every halftrack in the PE army very easily, and that even better with WP.

[Ununoctium]

I'd like to see the t17 reworked

instead of being like an m8 id like to se it be more like an upgun puma. currently its cross between AT/AI make sit both powerful and weak at the same time.

[Ununoctium]

LuAn You realize how bad the penetration oF T17s is? It phases or doesnt penetrate halftracks over 50% of the time. And bounces rear armor hits of medium tanks alot more then that, if anything the stun is to use in conjuction with another weapon but not alone to circle strafe..

http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound

Im not quite sure on how this all adds up, but according to this target table, the Staghound has a penetration of 4 versus the 50mm/ATHT/IHT/MTHT and 0.5 versus the Marder considering he gets into short range.

I dont really have a problem with the performance of the t17 versus Tanks or so, but the T17 seems to be able to destroy every halftrack in the PE army very easily, and that even better with WP.

remember we gave those hts wm ht armour -_-

[LuAn]

LuAn You realize how bad the penetration oF T17s is? It phases or doesnt penetrate halftracks over 50% of the time. And bounces rear armor hits of medium tanks alot more then that, if anything the stun is to use in conjuction with another weapon but not alone to circle strafe..

http://www.coh-stats.com/Weapon:37mm_Staghound

Im not quite sure on how this all adds up, but according to this target table, the Staghound has a penetration of 4 versus the 50mm/ATHT/IHT/MTHT and 0.5 versus the Marder considering he gets into short range.

I dont really have a problem with the performance of the t17 versus Tanks or so, but the T17 seems to be able to destroy every halftrack in the PE army very easily, and that even better with WP.

remember we gave those hts wm ht armour -_-

Sdkfz 251 Halftrack has exactly the same Target Table Values as the standard PE-HT Amor Sdkfz 22x:
Sdkfz 251 Halftrack   1   0.8   0.85   4   0.85   1   90
Sdkfz 22x                1   0.8   0.85   4   0.85   1   90

0.85 DMG
4 Penetration
0.85 Rear Penetraion

[Ununoctium]

Sdkfz 251 Halftrack has exactly the same Target Table Values as the standard PE-HT Amor Sdkfz 22x:
Sdkfz 251 Halftrack   1   0.8   0.85   4   0.85   1   90
Sdkfz 22x                1   0.8   0.85   4   0.85   1   90

0.85 DMG
4 Penetration
0.85 Rear Penetraion

wtf
4= 400% so why does it bounce off the front.
and 85% rear? is his why my t17 only can kill WM hts from he front and the back bounces???

some explain this please

[Thepassenger]

it could be that its a game.

[gamesguy2]

T17 is overbuffed with the skirts at vet 0.   It needs to go back to the old 90 fuel price and then lower the price of skirts a bit.

[VERTIGGO]

T17 is an ostwind that can't penetrate vehicles, loses its engine to mortars, has less range and accuracy and damage.

Actually it fires twice as fast as the Ostwind, since it has no reload time. Ostwind fires 5 and reloads for 4-6 seconds.

It does penetrate vehicles. I just lost two P4s and a StuG from front shots on sliver health. Not to mention it can stun a Panther ensuring it's death (provided there's at least one other supporting weapon) and its much faster than the Ostwind. It also takes more hits. Ostwind takes only 3 and is rarely missed.

[gamesguy2]

T17 is vastly more capable than the ostwind.  Their anti-infantry capabilities are slightly in favor of the ostwind.  But the T17 has the stun, has insanely good M8 dodge, and only 50 less health than an ostwind.

The ostwind always gets hit by ATGs and other tanks, its a tank with no dodge bonus.  The T17 will dodge a large number of hits and has a smaller profile and faster speed.

T17 really needs to cost a lot more fuel, at least 90.