US Infantry - Ranger Squad

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[pqumsieh]

Hey guys,

What do you guys think about allowing US Infantry players to purcahse a ranger squad with no bazookas and no tompson upgrades; perhaps just allow them to purcahse grenades for the current cost of 40 munitions. I just find that getting rangers is burdensome because I have to also take with it a crappy ass AT weapon that cant hit a target worth shit.

So basically, yoru getting a vanilla ranger sqaud with only the ability to purchase grenades. If you want to take it one step further, allow them to purchase BARs (2 for 80 munitions) but no stickies. Thats only a bonus, still only want vanilla squads.

As for availability, just make it 3 or 4 availability since we already have access to rangers w/ zooks.

PQ

[lionel23]

I was actually writing up a doctrine change for Infantry when I saw you post this, I guess we're both thinking the same thing!

I believe it should be an unlock to allow 'Assault Specialists' of 6 man, non-bazooka ranger squads.  They can be tweaked via price (for example allow all 6 to have SMGs, but their MP cost would be higher than Knights Cross, for example) and availability (to prevent spam, so +2 or +4?).  Without tank reapers, all bazookas are good for are anti-light vehicles and from all my recent games I'm playing, I'm fighting impervious, sniping mass hezters, mass AT 50mm HTs and Marders, all of which can outrange and kill infantry and fire extremely fast (I find it disheartening that a 50mm can destroy a tank destroy M18 or M10 due to its rapid rate of fire, and it becomes impossible to approach with infantry due to hezters protecting them).

[spinn72]

Dont worry, infantry doctrine should soon find some love with the 4 man rifle squad with Thompsons.  I think there have been about 10 suggestions so far on rangers without weapons or bazookas.

[RikiRude]

I think it would be best to put rangers at +6 supply, and make it so you can upgrade them with both or either zooks and thompsons.

right now it simply sucks spending 140mu on thompsons, and as soon as ONE guy in that squad dies you either lose a thompson or a zook. i always hated that fact. or as said make separate squad types.

zooka rangers stay at their current price.
then tommy rangers at oh say 350MP and 140 mu. and give them the 4 thompsons. i dont like the idea of a 6 thompson squad because to be balanced youd have to put their mu cost at around 200mu.

[Demon767]

from a axis point a view, i would hate to see it, for the simple fact is that "allies once again have another mainline infantry to fireup and GTFO whenever they make a wrong move or to charge support teams"

That said i would love to see more rangers as mainline infantry replacing Rifleman.

ive always thought that Airborne rifles should lose the fireup and just be a asthetic choice like canadian infantry is.

[CafeMilani]

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we had this some time ago

[pqumsieh]

I dont care for thompson upgrades; yes a 6 man squad with 2 tompsons + elite armor would be OP. A vanilla squad with no tompsons or bazooks costing just 330 munitions would be much better.

The idea is, you are getting riflemen with more HP/armor who can cap/skirmish better then ordinary rifles. Use them to pick up weapons or fireup and get behind weapon supports. Being forced to use zookas or thompsons is silly, making them game less flexible. thats just my opinion at least.

PQ

[wildsolus]

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we had this some time ago

we never had rangers without zooks and thompsons...just thompsons yes, but that isn't what PQ wants.

[pqumsieh]

Yea, all i want is vanilla ranger squads. Basically just to have more flexibility in my unit choice.

PQ