Inglorious Basterds

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[RikiRude]

Fucking aweeeesome movie! It's not really about just killing damned nazis. but its a neat little movie. i still want to see district 9, but id say see district 9 first then basterds second. if you like tarintino films def check this out =)

brad pitt is just great in this movie.

Arrivederci!

[Nevyen]

AS good as brad pitt is

Christopher waltz is brilliant as the ss officer hans landu

love the film has to be close to the best tarantino has done in a long while

[Illegal_Carrot]

I was just about to make a thread about this movie. You stole my thread!

This movie was pretty damn good, though. A great see if you like Tarentino movies, or see it with several friends.
It's hard to compare the two because they're so different, but I like D9 a little bit more. Still, both are great movies, and are required watching for all EIRR members!

[Unkn0wn]

Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing this one.

[HansVonLuk]

I watched this last nioght, was pretty good.  I assumed it was more about the action but then I saw it.  Still I enjoyed the whole experience.  This was definately much better that the planet terror movie.

[EliteGren]

Was a great watch indeed.
That german officer was one badass.

[deadbolt]

goin to go watch it in 30 mins

[BigDick]

i like tarintino movies and i watched it yesterday

imho it sucks even movies like deathproof are way better (watched that one last week)

the style was a typical tarintino (good) but the story was just crap boring predictable and more to puke than to enjoy

[Baine]

Gonna watch it next week, looking forward to it.

[RikiRude]

AS good as brad pitt is

Christopher waltz is brilliant as the ss officer hans landu

love the film has to be close to the best tarantino has done in a long while

yes and yes. that was some amazing acting on his part.

also i will say i thought it was going to be more action packed, in fact it would of been so easy to make it action packed, but it was just a lot of dialogue either way i loved it and would see it again. but we are going to see district 9 next.

[ImmanioEiR]

Saw it yesterday, definitely worth watching. Not a classic, but great entertainment.

[Tymathee]

tyhey really made you hate lando by the end of the movie and when he gets his, its so awesome i clapped.

[Rocksitter]

  Garbage propaganda bullshit movie ....

[RikiRude]

  Garbage propaganda bullshit movie ....

good reasoning there.

[CrazyWR]

  Garbage propaganda bullshit movie ....

why?

[Tymathee]

  Garbage propaganda bullshit movie ....

wait seriously? lmao you can't be that retarded, you gotta be joking. What kind of propaganda lol for hating nazi's? I'm sorry, most of the world other than neo nazi's and jew hating arabs pretty much hate nazi's. It was pretty much a fantasy movie and if you cant' see that, i dont know what to tell you.

[TheWindCriesMary]

 

 Garbage propaganda bullshit movie ....

wait seriously? lmao you can't be that retarded, you gotta be joking. What kind of propaganda lol for hating nazi's? I'm sorry, most of the world other than neo nazi's and jew hating arabs pretty much hate nazi's. It was pretty much a fantasy movie and if you cant' see that, i dont know what to tell you.

 Actually Tym, his summation isn't as far from accuracy as you might think. What you need to realize is that it is one thing to condemn and loathe what the Nazi's did during WW2 -thats a given. However do their actions justify torture, mass-murder, and mutilation? Are all these things simply OK and acceptable just because they "deserve it"?

 You've fallen into the dangerous nature of this movie by allowing it to paint the dynamic of WW2 and the German people with a black and white brush. The biggest failing of "Inglorious Bastards" is that it draws nice clean fairy-tale lines about good and evil, lines where its OK for the good guys to commit any atrocity and depravity so long as it is against the really bad guys. And who doesn't want to see the bad guys get whats coming to them?


"We kill Nazi's. Nazi's are evil. Therefore, it is right to kill Nazi's. "

 
 Now I just got back from the movie, and I have to say that I was thrilled with the acting (Waltz was spellbinding), and several of the scenes were just stunning (the opening chapter, and the tavern basement in particular) but on the whole the movie was an appaling display. Few will argue that when it comes to the likes of Hitler and the SS, you are dealing with some very dark personalities that are by no means innocent or commendable, but you cross a dangerous line when you make a movie that essentially feels exactly like propaganda: the foe is evil, and any atrocity committed against him is not only justified, but neccessary and cool.

 I couldn't help but replace the image of Brad Pitt and his "Bastards" with the context of a training camp on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. Change the names and locations, and there is no difference. To those "terrorists", Americans are the Nazi's and any act, however horrific, is justified in the aim of stopping us in our tracks. You might cry out "Thats a horrible comparison, the two are not even close" but realize that to them there is no distinction.

 Maybe some people will take in the movie as "just fantasy" and "entertainment", but just like "Fight Club" a much bigger portion of the target audience will miss the point. They won't see social commentary or absurdist escapism, but a few badass dudes taking out the trash with all the simple and easy conviction of a just cause that all can agree on.

 I've never seen a movie with so much to make it one of the best of the decade, and yet so much more to make it childish trash. The very purpose and definition of a Propaganda film is one that focuses almost solely on evoking strong, simple emotions to move and influence it's audience. In this case, "inglorious Bastards" reduces all the nuances and complexities of WW2 germany and it's military to Nazi's, and those who hate them. Thats progandistic style at it's finest, and this movie had it in spades.

 -Wind

ps. As a side note, one thing that really bothered me about this movie is the ignorant way it painted a broad brush of "nazi" across any and all german military personell. An early scene shows the "bastards" after having captured a German patrol scalping the dead and carving a swastika into the forehead of the lone survivor. This is a disgusting scene. The Nazi's were a political party, and to see soldiers (not Nazi's) tortured and mutilated was a little more than my sensibilities could endure. Were all American personel under Bush neo-conservatives/republicans because that party was in the white house during the Iraq invasion? No. Most ww2 veterens will tell you, they did not hate the german soldier. He was just a guy doing his job, fighting for his country just like any one else. To watch a bunch of self-assured cowboys cut out of a disney cartoon butcher and even beat to death german soldiers just for being german soldiers... well it was sickening. It would be one thing if the movie held some kind of subtextual commentary about the nature of the human capacity for justified atrocities, but instead it just glorifies Pitt's character... as if it's all good and heroic because it's "Nazi's" hes killing and mutilating, and everyone knows how universally bad they all are.

[Smokaz]

I think enough time has passed for it to be harmless to portray nazis as simplified evils, even if there are advantages and blablahs related to remembering the complexities of the problem and the full ideological premise of WW2.

Watch Indiana Jones movies, they also present the nazis as cruel.

That you can arouse so much emotion from watching a Tarantino movie is interesting however. I mean they are like bubble gum, you chew them once and then they lose their taste other than a few rememberable scenes.

Also I think it easily could have been Tarantinos intention to make the bad guys bad and the good guys good. He's conscious of these roles, as apparent in many figures from his other movies. In Kill Bill its ambigious whether or not the "hero" is good or bad. (Lead female in Kill Bill not wishing to kill her opponent infront of her child, Bill wishing to protect the child, The bride having no ability to forgive.. the displacement between what she wants to have as her motive and how she responds to her daughter)

[TheWindCriesMary]

I think enough time has passed for it to be harmless to portray nazis as simplified evils, even if there are advantages and blablahs related to remembering the complexities of the problem and the full ideological premise of WW2.

Watch Indiana Jones movies, they also present the nazis as cruel.

That you can arouse so much emotion from watching a Tarantino movie is interesting however. I mean they are like bubble gum, you chew them once and then they lose their taste other than a few rememberable scenes.

 You missed the point in a way. It's not about portraying Nazi's as simplified evil that is the deplorable part of this movie, it's the way killing, maiming and massacring people is portrayed as glorious and clearly justified so long as you can arbitrarily attach an accepted evil moniker to them. In this film, that moniker is "Nazi", but it's the big picture that the very idea communicates that is the real problem: that any means and any act is justifiable so long as it is committed against an "evil" foe. A dangerous idea indeed.  In the film there are only nazi's, and those who want to kill Nazi's. No middle ground, it's "If your not with us, then you are against us and it's therefore OK to kill you".

 It's sad, pathetic, and woefully immoral.

 As for your similie comparing Bubblegum to Tarantino movies, I have to be honest I neither understand your surprise at the depth of the response the movie evoked from me, nor  do I agree with your summation of the lasting effect of his movies. That is really here nor there though, as it is a difference of opinion we both are entitled to.

 -Wind

 

[RikiRude]

Dude you are missing the whole irony of the movie!

You call it propaganda yes? Well, what was the movie about? Nazis dieing while viewing propaganda, there for as you yourself in the crowd (not you particularly but the crowd as an entity) are cheering for those nazis to die, you yourself have become the spectator (nazi) cheering on the movie (propaganda). The movie they watched was of the exploits of a german soldier who it seemed quite obvious wasn't some kind of jew hater or something along those lines. The movie itself was of the exploits of an American squad and their exploits. See the parallels? That's a big piece of the irony of the movie, so you say the general audience doesn't see some parts of the movie, but you yourself are missing out on some of the movie.

Also notice this, a vast majority of the general audience I agree, won't see the movie as anymore then a nazi shoot em up, go america! But if you sat down and explained the deeper meaning of the movie to those people, most of them wouldn't even care? No I think not, they just wanted to see a good movie.

Also I think it would of been nice if the basterds only killed SS troops, the guys who you KNOW were only doing pure evil, but it looked like most of the soldiers they killed were just Wehrmacht soldiers doing their job. So yeah, I do see where they could of made it better, but hey, guess what? Do you think anyone in the audience would of noticed that they were killing SS troops and not WM soldiers? Uhm... no! So in that case it doesn't even matter who they were killing.

Also I have to say, the nazis that they were planning on killing in the end, those were pretty much the most evil of them, so you know if a few other WM guys have to die to end the war early, then well that's how war is, it isn't fun or just or fair.

Also how is this any sort of propaganda in the sense of, what would it accomplish? There are no Nazis to hate anymore. And neo-nazis, well I think it's just AOK to hate a group of people who dedicate their lives to hating other people for no reason.

Another thing is, I don't think the movie went into enough depth to paint a black and white picture of the german people. Other then the guys in the schwimwagon and the captured soldiers scene, you didn't really see any other soldiers killed, oh and the prison scene.

Although you provide a good logical argument, I just don't think it really matters, the people who would pick up on the subtleties you pointed out are most likely the people who are smart enough to know that WWII wasn't just a "nazis are bad" story.