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[Tymathee]

Just continuing what I started with Engineers.

British Infantry

Tommy
Vet 1     Regeneration (0.028)
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Received damage 0.85
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Canadian
Vet 1     Regeneration (0.028)
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Received damage 0.85
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Tommy Recon
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85, Detection +5
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Marksmanshot -30s
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Marksmanshot -30s

Commandos
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, -30s Smoke Recharge
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, -30s Smoke Recharge

Lieutenant
Vet 1     Received damage 0.8, Regeneration (0.035)
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.2, Received Accuracy 0.8
Vet 3    Health 1.2, Damage 1.2

Captain
Vet 1     Received damage 0.8, Regeneration (0.035)
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.2, Received Accuracy 0.8
Vet 3    Health 1.2, Damage 1.2

US Infantry

Rifles
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, StickyBomb Range +10
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Received Suppression 0.8

Rangers
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Fireup -30s
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Fireup -30s

Airborne
Vet 1     Received damage 0.80
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Fireup -30s
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Fireup -30s

American Officer
Vet 1     Received damage 0.8, Regeneration (0.035)
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.2, Received Accuracy 0.8
Vet 3    Health 1.2

BTW, please don't let this get into a balance discussion over the ami officer, we've gone down that road before, this is only about vet. Just in case you're wondering about the bonuses at vet 3, I don't see them in the rgds anymore where they used to be, so I figure they've been taken out.

Wehrmarch Infantry

Volksgrenadiers
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Extra Panzerfaust
Vet 3    Health 1.15, Damage 1.2, Range (K98 only) +5

Grenadiers
Vet 1     Regeneration (0.028)
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Received damage 0.85
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Knights Cross Holders
Vet 1     Received damage 0.857
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Received Suppression 0.5

Officer
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85, Regeneration (0.035)
Vet 2    Upgrade Armor to infantry Elite, Will use a Mp40
Vet 3    Health 1.15, Accuracy 1.20, Barrage Cooldown -120s

Terror Officer
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85, Regeneration (0.035)
Vet 2    Accuracy, 1.2, Upgrade Armor to infantry Elite, Will use a Mp40
Vet 3    Health 1.15, Accuracy 1.20

Panzer Elite Infantry

Panzer Grenadiers
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Assault Grenadiers
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Received Suppression 0.7

Assault-Flammen Grenadiers
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2, Received Suppression 0.7

Tankbuster Grens
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.2, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Luftwaffe
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Fallschirmjagers
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability, Additional Panzerfaust use
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Fallschirmjager Veteran
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability, Additional Panzerfaust use
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Fallschirmjager Tankbuster
Vet 1     Received damage 0.85
Vet 2    Accuracy 1.15, Received Accuracy 0.9, Sprint Ability, Additional Panzerfaust use
Vet 3    Health 1.1, Damage 1.2

Looks like we've got a lot of missing vet tables. The US Officer, Terror Officer, Flammen, Vets and FSJ TB's are all "brand new." but pretty much copies of the original FSJ's.

I have not much to say so discuss...it seems all infantry are pretty uniform at all vet levels with different stuff thrown in there from time to time. I'm kinda stumped as to any needed changes, anyone have any ideas?

[Sharpshooter824]

I wouldnt mind seeing riflemen getting a regen with vet 1 along with PE infantry also getting a regen with vet 1 but other then that not much I can see that needs to be changed..

[fallensoldier7]

I think health regen was always a Wehrmacht thing since the Americans have triage centers and AB medic teams.  That leaves armor as the only doctrine without healing, but you won't be running infantry heavy armor companies anyway.

As for PE, I really don't think the healing scout car should be doctrine specific, and I heard that some devs are trying to get it back into being universal for all doctrines.

[CafeMilani]

no health regen at vet1 for rifles pls

[Sharpshooter824]

I would love to see a real form of a triage for every faction tbh

and aloha stop your biased posting rofl, no regen for rifles, but pgrens sound good!

...so typical

and also brit tommies get regen with vet 1.. so its not really a wehr only thing fallen 

[Ununoctium]

Arrg I just read grenadier Vet2.

-15% damage taken outclasses all other Vet 2's
volks get an extra faust, rifles have their sticky range increased to something feasible, maybe replace it with 1/2 free grenade uses or increased nade accuracy/range?

[fallensoldier7]

and also brit tommies get regen with vet 1.. so its not really a wehr only thing fallen 

Oh, never knew that.  Despite the Brit's health regen, I still feel that triage centers and AB medic teams are enough healing for the Americans, and when/if the healing scout car become non-doctrine specific, that should be enough for the PE.

[Baine]

Arrg I just read grenadier Vet2.

-15% damage taken outclasses all other Vet 2's

Maybe you should calm your fanboism and look closer. Tommies have the same.

[Smokaz]

Health regen wouldnt be that helpful for rifles unless you had cohesion. Its useful for grenadiers since they have so much health + other stuff that gives them passive health regen.

[Unkn0wn]

Vet is being reworked (toned down) soon.

[AmPM]

Will it be toned down enough that its worthless to buy so we spend all our SP on offmap and advantage spam?

[fallensoldier7]

I hope not..

[Tymathee]

Yea dont tone it down, it doesn't need to be toned down tbh. Because vet is good, it makes you choose between vet or off-maps, this way you can have a bunch of off maps and no vet, or no off maps or vanilla of maps and a  lot of vet.

[Mysthalin]

Yes tymathee, because a vet 3 sherman having more health than a panther is normal, so is a vet 3 P4 becoming a tiger with more accuracy and less splash.

So is a vet 3 grenadier army, and a vet 3 tommy army ;P.

[AmPM]

Actually Myst, the Sherman only has like 60 less HP than a Panther to start....

[Mysthalin]

106, not 60 ;P.

But 831 health on a sherman with vet 2, with 15 percent more accuracy, 20 percent more penetration and 105 damage per shot at vet 3 it's kind of silly ;P.

Doctrine buffs, and that vet 3 sherman with upgun can beat a panther... Don't think that should ever happen, without the use of AP rounds.

[fallensoldier7]

Really?  Which doctrine buffs would help it beat a panther?

[AmPM]

Eh, now compare vet 3 Sherman vs Vet 3 Panther with HEAT and Improved Barrels.

[Tymathee]

Can we stay on topic please? We're talking about infantry here not about shermans and panthers. Toned down and changed are two totally different things. And btw, how many people get to a vet 3 sherman anyway, they just die too easily. There's only 5 and there's just as many vet 1 shermans that no one wants to move to vet 2 as there are vet 3 shermans.

[BigDick]

Eh, now compare vet 3 Sherman vs Vet 3 Panther with HEAT and Improved Barrels.

i think he wanted to say that vet units are to good compared to non vet units, not that vet units arent balanced against each other

but actually i think vet has some downsides too
you retreat earlier or loose it and to loose vet annoys people and they rage and play much more worse

so strong vet might be ok