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[von_Luchs]

A suggestion:

Back-capping should not be allowed on Att/Def games, particualrly for the defenders.  Attackers have enough to worry about, and making a breakthrough ussualy requires a concentration of forces (and substantial losses) that leave everything else weak.  Under those conditions i dont know if back-capping should be a viable "defense" option.

[Smokaz]

Hasnt this issue been rectified enough through the extra pop attackers get ?

[winisez]

i actually would rather attack than defend.

Extra popcap allows fights to be more thoroughly in your favor, leading to reduced losses overall.  When attacking a well coordinated team can tripple team one person, if the defending players are support weapon based this is particularly devastating since the poor persons team cant come and help him right away. Only time it can be hard is on a map like abi, where the defensive positions are very mutually supporting.

[von_Luchs]

The extra pop cap between defenders and attackers is what? 4 or 5 points? 

Any decent team on defense knows that a triple team attack is exactly whats coming to open the game.  Not to mention the mines, bunkers etc that will be waiting for them.

In any case, the point of the original post wasnt to ask for more pop, my issue was with back-capping, particualrly on att/def maps and how that technique for winning game should not be available for the defending team.  Since the attackers, by design, MUST concentrate and push somewhere--ussualy into the teeth of a prepared position.

It just seems the scenario when attacking isnt balanced if back-capping is available to the defense.

[EIRRMod]

You bring up an interesting point von_luchs, and I believe a new gametype variation on Attack/Defend might be what youre looking for.

Its an Assault type, where the Defenders can only cap Neutral territory, and Hostile territory is either not allowed, or takes a LONG time to take back (still debating).  This may replace what we have for the territory rules of the normal attack, or be a standalone scenario on the warmap.

[Tymathee]

I came up with something like that before. I think something like that would be real good, but what incentive would the defenders get for not being able cap their territory back?

[fallensoldier7]

They could probably be able to set up their defenses closer to the enemy spawn.

[Tymathee]

maybe longer set up time? maybe more starting pop because I could really see it really being tough to defend. Once you start losing territory, since you can't gain it back a really smart attacker can just back cap someone and really screw them if they get presented the opportunity. So, more pop might help the most, maybe 30 at start vs 25 for attackers?

[Demon767]

or 3 towns, defenders have to defend the towns, eachtime the town gets capped they get 2 minutes to set up defence in the next town, and so forth

[spinn72]

Easiest way i think would be attack/defense map based around victory points.

Victory points i think would be really cool, even if there are the downsides of booby traps/mining the point.

[RikiRude]

The problem with some of these really great ideas is that you really have to develop special maps just for those ideas. Which I think they want maps that can be played on a variety of different game modes without having to be specific to that game mode.

[Tymathee]

you can't do the town or victory point because eir takes over the vp system, so thats out. aPretty much think of ideas within the current system that would require a change in timers, pop, maybe cap speed etc.

[Draken]

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[Ununoctium]

So could we have an landgrab/hold the line (LG/HTL) game type where the goal is to survive with more than 50% of the territory after 20 minutes. you can't cap it back. since you have to all focus on one small point of attack it could work on maps that are thin just the big ones would suck.