RikiRude
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« on: September 16, 2009, 01:25:51 am » |
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Can someone give us some detailed jagd stats so we might be able to figure out why this thing snipes infantry so well?
Today amoung all my other infantry that got sniped. I had a jagd snipe 2 of my recon tommy men from absolute max range. these were vet 3 recons too. and i knew his jagd was at max range because I have the RCA benefits to my tommys and he was just barely in the line of sight.
it was kwiatkeke (i know i spelled that wrong) vet 1 jagd. im not sure what buffs he has for it, but i just dont get how jagds snipe infantry so well. fireflies very rarely snipe infantry, in fact ive had a firefly fight against a volks squad for 2 minutes and only killed like 2-3 guys. i think me and hte other player were both busy microing the other side of the map when that happened. i mean the jagd is a tank destroyer as is the firefly, but why does the jagd excel so much at sniping? or is it bad luck? if i were to play WM more often would i notice FFs sniping my grens?
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Demon767
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 01:28:39 am » |
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EIRRMod
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 01:32:43 am » |
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I will check the jagds stats, but I dont think its any more accurate than other tanks - esp. tank destroyers.
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Shit I'm pretty sure you could offer the guy a cup of coffee and he'd try to kill you with the mug if you forgot sugar.
That's like offering Beer to fuck the fat chick. It will work for a while, but it's not gonna last. Not only that, but there is zero motivation for the Fat chick to loose weight.
Why don't you collect up your love beads and potpourri and find something constructive to do.
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bbsmith
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 01:33:28 am » |
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Hunter Killer?
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prove it and you'll win
I win.
k u win.
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Tymathee
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2009, 02:41:49 am » |
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jagd = panther gun with more dmage and penetration but pretty much same accuracy and then when you add in the TH doc accuracy buffs, it's just mean vs infantry.
but yea, jagds are way too good vs infantry, panthers as well. then again, us tanks are good at runnin infantry over, panthers are good at snipin <shrug>
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| BigDick
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2009, 02:59:22 am » |
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my fireflyss snipe infantry too but not that i would consider them to good against infantry
same to the jagd it pretty much sucks against infantry
AT guns and paks are better in sniping infantry then the jagd
only thing that is wrong with jagd (same as KT, tiger, pershing) that you can have 2 from all (and even 3 from pershings)
that should be all caped at 1 like in vcoh
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| spinn72
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2009, 03:14:50 am » |
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Jagd range is 45, not amazing.
Accuracy modifier of 0.4 against all infantry and accuracy of .75 for max range.
therefore 9% chance it will hit 2 infantry consecutively from max range. With hunter killer its quite a bit more.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2009, 05:02:23 am » |
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and spooting scopes increeses the range +10%
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2009, 05:09:43 am » |
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and spooting scopes increeses the range +10%
I think the spotting scopes are even more, let me check the RGDs: Actually, I its a flat +10 range to sight and +10 to hardpoint1 (Main gun) |
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 05:14:17 am » |
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indeed +10 to range and sight
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| Ununoctium
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 05:55:30 am » |
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indeed +10 to range and sight
-_- ugh. 10% reversion please. |
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| BigDick
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2009, 06:01:33 am » |
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thats a T4 man
+10% more range would be more worse than what we hat on medium tanks like P4 or shermans with vet2 ( +5 range)
actually telescopic sights was only useful when panther/marder/at halftrack could outrange at guns
and at the same time it was overpowered
we will see what the doctrine rework brings because i can't see something that could make this T4 balanced
either it sucks or it will be op
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2009, 06:34:59 am » |
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I think the general consensus is to remove all weapon range modifiers (except indirects)
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2009, 07:20:34 am » |
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I think range modifiers are fine on MOST tanks...
But things like A percentage or range modifier on a panther or M-18 makes them mobile 88s.
Maybe have it s on most tanks or vhicles it does this, but there arlways a few exceptions to the rules.
AB have the 18% range buff nd that increases their surviveability greatly as well as the dmg they can inflict.
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| Dragon2008
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2009, 08:10:56 am » |
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I thought the jagd was a tank destroyers? So why can it and should it be able to snipe infantry so easy? I thought the whole word "tank destroyers" means it hunts tanks not infantry  |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2009, 08:16:08 am » |
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At 0.4 hit chance, it really isn't a reliable infantry sniper  . |
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2009, 08:29:29 am » |
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At 0.4 hit chance, it really isn't a reliable infantry sniper . tell that to my ranger squad, that was full strength got shot down to 3 men in one shot from a jagd lol. |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2009, 02:01:00 pm » |
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take off range modifer on p4 kthxbi lol
but yea range modifers on tanks can really change things, especially since most of them are on axis tanks and allied tanks don't get any range modifers can really mess balance up.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2009, 07:10:39 am » |
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At 0.4 hit chance, it really isn't a reliable infantry sniper . tell that to my ranger squad, that was full strength got shot down to 3 men in one shot from a jagd lol. That is splash damage agaisnt bunched-up troops, not anti-inf accuracy. Two in every 5 shots if not at long range and if neither the inf or the tanks i moving is not reliable accuracy, in my book. I once killed an entire full-health vet 3 ranger squad with one shot from a completely vanilla StuG since they were bunched up - would you use a StuG as your mainline anti-ranger just because of this one occasion? |
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RikiRude
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2009, 12:07:15 pm » |
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if a jagd is killing vet 3 recons in yellow cover at max range there is something wrong!
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