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[3rdCondor]

I want an opinion for everyone. I myself have heard people talk about how british infantry are extremely over powered and that panzer elite infantry are way too weak. Should pe be buffed and brit stay the same? Should british be nerfed? how does everyone feel?

[bbsmith]

PG are fine. They are cheap and you can field alot of them.

[Masacree]

They're fucking 255 mp... I never had any trouble attritioning british infantry (except commando snipers  ) or fighting them at all. Sure with vet they're tough, but grens are godly with vet and doctrine buffs (zeal ftw?) Shoot the officers and British Infantry are a pushover.

[lionel23]

Also remember they are the most expensive basic infantry, so they should not outattrition you, 1v1, if you're Wehr or even US (US can get more rifles than Brits can get tommies).  Also Tommys can't alone deal with vehicles.

They are, however, the best vanilla basic infantry prior to buffs and such, but grens were fucking godlike at vet 3 and buffs, not even british infantry could oppose them or SMG Rangers in the last patch, never heard anyone complain of brits then with the one man zeal squads of death.

[Masacree]

the best vanilla basic infantry prior to buffs

Tommies < Grens 1v1 no buffs.

EDIT: did that wrong

[bbsmith]

Actually I had vet 3 zeal Tommies with British grit supported by vet 2 lieutenants and mark target and I could fight off a blob of Vet 3 zeal Grens. All you need to do is it heroic charge and inspired assault and mow everything down.

[DisposableHero]

Now lets be fair about this. Consider that British infantry are 255MP - that's more expensive than riflemen (by 65MP), Volks (75MP) and PGs (45MP). Consider, also, that unlike Wermacht or PE, Brits do not have a grenadier or assault grenadier alternative - what I label a nondoctrinal superior infantry alternative.*

What does this mean?

Firstly, that if they are good, it as not as if British players aren't paying for it.

Secondly, whilst the average Tommy might be superior to a Rifleman, Volksgrenadier or Panzer Grenadier, the greater cost means that there is ultimately less of them. They can be out attritioned, and they can be 'wasted' on recrewing (seeing as Brits have nothing else to do it with).

Thirdly, nondoctrine Brits have nothing else for infantry. Sure, the Tommy Recon Section is there alternative, but its dedicated AI with no flexibility, and a 45MU and a weighty 2 Pool cost.

Fourthly, to really come into their own, Tommies need officers. Officers aren't cheap themselves, and guess what - they use up Pool Value too, so there's less room for infantry.

Finally, they aren't invincible. God knows that I've had plenty of Tommies die, and if they were nearly as good as everyone says, then I wouldn't have lost as many games as I have. Brits lack many things that the Axis have in droves which are excellent counters to infantry.


I'd also like to say I believe that the question of the strength/weakness of PE should be dealt with in its own regard. Personally, I think I would like to see their infantry given a little buff, but I think nerfing Brits at the same time to compensate is the wrong way to go about it.

*Admittedly, US doesn't either. But the US basic infantry choice is a hell of a lot cheaper.

[Computer991]

They rape...there's no denying it...They do better than LMG grens
Grens cost 240
Tommies cost 255

And the whole outattrion is bullshit,I can run just as much tommies as i can gren's and they were twice as effect as my non-doctrined buffed grens.


Applying doctrine buffs is a whole different story tho.

[bbsmith]

1 vanilla Gren squad beats 1 vanilla Tommy squad.

[DisposableHero]

Its not bullshit. You can pay cheap for cheap infantry to do cheap things (recrewing, capping, cannon fodder, etc), and pay expensive for better infantry to do the real fighting. Brits can't. They are stuck with their expensive infantry that has to do everything.

On the up side, their infantry is good. There just isn't all that much of it - and if you bring a lot, you don't have much else. That's the dynamic of playing Brit.

[lionel23]

Uhh Computer, you're talking upgraded infantry here... you should be comparing basics, which are Volks, Riflemen squads.

That's like me saying BS tommies can outattrition my rangers or airborne 4 PP/Pool infantry...

[Demon767]

wait hang on here. who says Axis has to be superior in every single way possible? cuz thats what im hearing here.

also brens costs more than lmgs. 25mu more

[Computer991]

Its not bullshit. You can pay cheap for cheap infantry to do cheap things (recrewing, capping, cannon fodder, etc), and pay expensive for better infantry to do the real fighting. Brits can't. They are stuck with their expensive infantry that has to do everything.

They are called sappers. 180 MP

Also you use cheap infantry to recrew you get cheap crews that die to anything,the crew retains the stats of the unit that was recrewed,so if you recrew an mg with a KCH squad you get a unsniperable epic mg crew :p it's not like your wasting good infantry to re crew something...




Yeah and you get 2 bren's demon, And i'm not saying axis has to be superior it's good that british have a great infantry platform..they need it to stand up to the "OP" axis

and to lionel,this is a comparison on whole,upgrades and everything because i don't see normal Grens raping and i don't see normal tommies raping as hard as upgraded can.

[EliteGren]

You can get 2 Tommies for the pool of 1 Sappersquad computer.

[Computer991]

You can get 2 Tommies for the pool of 1 Sappersquad computer.

Yeah but hes complaining about the manpower price,

[lionel23]

Sappers are 2 Pool... and once you reman last guy is useless.  That's like using engineers for US to reman, it is expensive and wasteful.  Tommy is the best bang for your buck (potential 2 remans on a squad), it's stupid to use sappers for remanning purposes unless you want to shrink your army more in terms of bodies.

Ummm and on the recrewing thing, really only effects the elite infantry... for Brits its not that bad, but if you want to waste half a ranger/airborne/KCH squad to reman, go ahead, they get absolutely no vet themselves on the reman when its over.. and why would you want to do that?

And there is more to price than just manpower, that's called pool.  Snipers aren't that high in manpower, but eat up a shit ton of pool, same with officers and elite infantry, which is what caps your total infantry really.

[Demon767]

There is no alternative to brens, you buy 1 bren you get to. you cant put that point forward. treat it as 1 bren just like 1 lmg

Costs 120Mu to be put on a fragile platform that has to get within a good distance to be effective and then it can still not penetrate. comparing to a Panzershrek on a Gren, Melds a good effective platform involving K98's and Nades with an much more effective anti tank weapon against inferior Allied armor.

[DisposableHero]

Yeah, but would you recrew with KCH? Would you leave them lying around to cap/decap? No, because a) they are too good, and b) you have a cheaper alternative to do that.

Ah, yes. Sappers. They are 2 Pool Value, you know. They are hardly a Volk/Rifle/PG equivalent on that account alone, considering how quickly your infantry pool shrinks with officers and Recon Sections. Not to mention the Sappers you'll have with PIATs or the Commandos.

[Computer991]

Hahaha i'm not saying I myself would re crew with KCH but I'm saying it can be done. I've actually seen it be done and it was quite effective, Also i'm pretty sure they can still cap regardless I could be wrong tho.


Okay lionel,understand what i was saying it's just cheaper to use the 4 man squad than the 5 man squad(45 per man on the sappers versus the 51 on a tommie squad), I never said it was more effect or smarter. Also you could potentially have the best back capping army ever, 1 man goes to back cap.


Yeah but demon you have double the firepower! for just 25MU more,i was just checking the stats and the reload is less on brens,and they have a little bit less range than the MG42 LMG and they EACH do the exact same damage,but on tommies you get 2 brens instead of 1 LMG

[lionel23]

You're paying for the most expensive option, that's 2 damn pool for infantry to use sappers to reman, that's ridiculously high.  What you should be using to reman are Tommys.