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[DisposableHero]

I haven't yet had the pleasure of fighting a Jagd yet, but thus far KTs, Tigers and Panthers have been manageable - if predictable and annoying.

[lionel23]

I'm American, we don't have any sure fire penetration from 17s or fireflys... so your point is moot computer.

[Computer991]

I'm American, we don't have any sure fire penetration from 17s or fireflys... so your point is moot computer.

You should always have a brit player on your team

Brits are like the butter to the toast.

[DisposableHero]

That's a bit like saying PE needs a Werhmact partner to be any good, tbh.

[Computer991]

That's a bit like saying PE needs a Werhmact partner to be any good, tbh.

I don't think this warrants a response.....

Brits are a fucking rape faction,more powerful than Americans,or well they are easier to get into or at least i think so.

They have the firefly,The british AT gun,The Tommies with brens,LT's,Captains,Their MG almost instant suppresses(Altho with the nerf i don't think it does anymore)

Americans have the always visible 57mm,the hellcat,and riflemen,plz tell me which one is better...
And i'm speaking of non doctrine units.

[Mysthalin]

Computer's got a point - Brits are the Wehrmacht of the allies. No craptastic recrew units, but hey - better to have good mainline infantry and nothing else than having craptastic recrew units and be forced into minor numbers of elite infantry if you want to do something with the digital manz,

[Unkn0wn]

if you want to do something with the digital manz,

No I do not sorry   

[tank130]

I have often posted in regards to axis OP super heavies. Most responses by axis players were... "there is no problem" or ....L2P.  My response to L2P got me a warning from Killer....   IMO, the comment "L2P" essentially Means, "I have no brains and am unable to respond to your post in an intelligent way"

On topic... I recently created a PE account. I have never played PE in the EiR environment and I am only a level 5 on vCoH. That means.... I know fuck all about PE

My stats are 5 - 3... I lost 1 game to a drop/restart. I lost one game with that newbie guy ( name? ) who has a 1-10 ratio or something like that. I lost one game in a good 3v3 where the allies out played us. I won the first 4 games in a row. I did not play with really strong teammates because...frankly no one wanted to play with me and a newbie account and no experience as PE. In fact. Crimson did not want to play with me he said until I got a chance to figure the PE out. He finally did play one with me ( we won )

Why does this matter? Because I run with a Jagd. This tank rapes the fuck out of allied players. I drive right up to ATG's and blast them apart. 2 ATG, no problem... I blast one, the other takes a couple of little nibbles out of my high HP, I turn and blast the second ATG. More than 2 or 3.. no problem!!! all I need is one mortar HT to take them out first. Takes a couple of more minutes, but hey, whats 2 minutes when I am about to rape them...

If I get rushed... no big deal. The thing seems almost as fast as a Sherman. I just GTFO and let my allies wipe out some infantry.

I USE A JAGD!!!! the tank is not balanced. It is super fast for a super heavy; it destroys with ease the units intended to destroy it; and it has a shit load of HP to soak up anything that does try to take it out. Is it possible to destroy it? Of course it is. But by the time the allies do, there is nothing left of their army and we just run right over them.

Anybody who actually plays this mod...knows that I am not a great player. I am old and slow on the reflexes. (now I am even starting to pee on my shoes....lol) How can a guy like me start a PE company (considered one of the most difficult factions to play in this mod ) with no experience as PE and win the first 4 games straight in nonstacked  games? Simple... the Jadg is an I win button. Can it be beat? Yes, but it is a ton of work. It will be a ton of work even against a slow old man like me because the unit is not balanced.

I will continue to play PE. I believe this unit may have been designed for old people of little skill to boost their self esteem by slaughtering allied players.

[wildsolus]

I will continue to play PE.

  prepare to die tank!!


on topic: the fact it 2 shots at guns is retarded.

[tank130]

I will continue to play PE.

  prepare to die tank!!


on topic: the fact it 2 shots at guns is retarded.

There is not much honor in beating me ...... and you will fail.

[lionel23]

Thanks Tank130 for pointing that out, since every 'pro' axis player refuses to admit its an OP unit for what it does and requires no skill.  At least the KT was couterable due to its slow speed and chance to penetrate.

It seems the Jadg just has way more armor, much better gun against things designed to counter it (tanks/ATGs) and super speed, it pretty much is the I win button, and man PE players spammed the fuck out of them with bringing on multiple double Jadgs before the fuel price increase, and I frankly don't think that's enough.

I agree with Disposable too, there should not be a unit so powerful that an entire FACTION cannot counter a single doctrine unit.  US players are the PE now?  So where are my tank reapers if you axis guys are openly admitting US players have no chance against PE without an 'allied Wehr - British' to deal with heavy tanks?  So now allies have no way to counter super heavies (And I mean SUPER HEAVIES, not heavies, that's not a problem) because of their ineffective and expensive ATGs, which the Jadg rapes back its cost tenfold before it can be stopped?  How is that even remotely balanced?

[3rdCondor]

crimson won from the very beginning "skirts cost mun"

In VCOH (which this is not) skirts are free with vet. I think it's fine just the way it is especially since allied at guns have good sight range and armored penetration easily. Trust me the allies dont need any help in destroying axis tanks. Fireflies, AB, At guns m10

[CrazyWR]

Look Lionel.  If you really believe the jagds are too effective vs ATG's and tanks, use stickies and rangers/AB...its not unkillable.  Its like Fallen posted earlier.  People worry too much about killing it off the second they see it.  Just chip away at it, there is no need to kill it instantly...its not cost-efficient to do that.  Hurt it, then fall back when you are in danger of losing units...

[Killer344]

Skirts aren't free at vCoH, you need to buy the veterancy to get them.

[lionel23]

Crazy, Jadgs run up and pop ATGs, you have to take it on otherwise you lose all your anti tank and armor to it, and then what? Deal with the mass of P4s that will follow.

[EliteGren]

What happens when you have a sticky squad or any sort of AT support with your At Gun? The jagd has to back up or take serious damage!
Oh the wonders.

[lionel23]

And I already posted my example where ATGs backed up by tanks and rangers/airborne and rifles were useless against a supported jadg, where the support doesn't even have to fight and the jadg can solo everything.  Do you guys even bother to read before you post?

And also with Sticky bombers that aren't vetted, the speed of the Jadg which is much too fast for a super heavy can outrun and interrupt the animation of sticky bombers, making it one of the toughest tanks to sticky that you need to sticky.  Sit behind it with ostwinds and viola, no riflemen support can stop a jadg with ATG support.

[crimsonrabbit]

can you guys just take this jagd BS to another thread plz. Clavis is talking about skirts not the jagd.

Back on Topic: Skirts cost munis.

[tank130]

Oh ya, now it gets better.
My jagd just got vet 2  and now gets a 1.2 to acceleration and 1.15 to accuracy......lol

Like it needed a fucking boost....LOL

[lionel23]

So now it's faster than a halftrack and has a better time hitting ATGs and killing them in two shots?