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shockcoil Offline
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 06:10:28 am »

THANKS! It means a lot to me
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Baine Offline
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2010, 07:21:36 am »

Im not bothered by church croc/at gun spam as PE, but I wonder how the Wehr players handle it.. so far in all my games I've seen nothing but fail from anyone in tackling it head on

Looks like i have to come back some time soon!
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2010, 07:25:48 am »

Plonk 88 down, sit tight ?
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Baine Offline
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2010, 07:26:20 am »

Plonk 88 down, sit tight ?

Damn right son!
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2010, 06:54:53 am »

So lets schedule a time?
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2010, 10:50:25 am »

So lets schedule a time?

TBH i want to be elitegrens teammate.
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2010, 03:52:41 pm »

TBH, he wants competent teammates
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shockcoil Offline
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2010, 10:47:24 pm »

So lets schedule a time?

TBH i want to be elitegrens teammate.
GET IN LINE SUCKA!
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fallensoldier7 Offline
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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2010, 10:59:31 pm »

When is this going to happen?  We need to know so we can tell when Lionel's posts about Axis OP-ness will gain some merit  Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2010, 11:44:20 pm »

You know I'm not the only player to think the Jadg is OP, so stop bashing on me as it is.  If this is how it's going to be with Elite Gren being a total ass and saying that the allies can be ignored because his argument is the only argument, I'm really not inclined to play with someone who just is blind to the state of things and refuses to even discuss anything rationally, and I'll pass it down to someone else to test this if anyone wants to since if I ran the test anyway, people will just say I'm an allied fanboy and somehow doctored the test in my favor, and that the sky is cherry orange or something.

I got enough stress with my life to not have to worry about being harrassed in vent and on the forums with this, so let's just keep axis OP as it is and not worry about balancing anymore, because I'm sick of trying to make the playing field even if every attempt to bring things in line is going to be heavily tilted towards axis (and yes, I mean both Wehr and PE this time).

Any brave allied players want to take my spot, go right ahead, I'm through with this discussion, so if no one steps up, let's just not touch anything axis as is, because it's all balanced apparently and what I say is a moot point anyway.
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Calstifer Offline
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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2010, 12:57:51 am »

Fine then, the axis is OP, if anyone would like to argue or challange this claim, be right ahead.

and your right  leonel, but im not ready to give up yet.
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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2010, 01:15:10 am »

Why is it that there is a select amount of us have no trouble dealing with axis heavies?
As allied, not using swathes of airborne?

What are we doing that you are not doing lionel?  Roll Eyes

Sometimes i think your just so inflexible with your play style that you just bottleneck yourself into losing to heavies.



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Calstifer Offline
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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2010, 02:30:23 am »

You cant experiment in EIR. You experiment, you die.
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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2010, 02:34:56 am »

Lionel, I think you should tone it down just a bit - the claim of two jagds defeating 4 AP rounding ATGs while there were also a pair of upgun shermans nibling away is simply... wrong, unless we consider the ABSOLUTE BEST dicerolls. Considering the AP rounds didn't even once penetrate, and each jag shot hit, without any 5 HP bugs(I don't even have to do maths to know the chance of this is much less than 1 in a milion), this is what would of happened, in a timeline.




--------Start Timeline-----------

Opening engagement :
4 ATGs and 2 upguns fire volley. All shots deflect.
Total damage : 4*93.75 + 2*13.125 = 401.25 damage.

Double jagds fire a volley. Both shots hit and insta-gibbed one ATG.

4 seconds

3 ATGs fire off a volley. All shots deflect.
Total damage : 3*93.75 = 281.25 damage. Total of 682.5 damage.

6 seconds

Double Shermans fire a volley. Both shots hit and get deflected.
2*13.125 = 26.25

Total damage of 708.75

Double Jagds fire a volley. They both hit and kill an AT gun.

8 seconds

Double ATGs fire standard ATG volley. Both shots hit and get deflected.
150 damage dealt.

Total damage of 858.75

12 seconds

Double ATGs and Double Shermans fire volley. All shots hit and are deflected.

150+26.25 = 176.25

Total damage of 1035

Double jagds fire and kill an ATG.

16 seconds.

ATG fires and hits. Deflect.

1035+75 = 1110 damage total.

18 seconds.

Double shermans fire and hit. Deflected.

26.25 damage.

1136.25 damage total.

Double Jagds take out the last AT gun.

Jagds pull back cackling evilly.

-------------End timeline------------

Now, contrary to what most of us would of believed - this is in fact a POSSIBLE scenario. Considering the jagds ALWAYS hit and the ATGs and shermans NEVER penetrate.

Let us imagine for a second, that this engagement happened in a complete plain, at 40 range, with the ATGs and shermans huddled together, so no flanking shots to accidentally hit the rear. These would be the chances of :

AP rounds ATGs bouncing : 19% to bounce with each AT gun. The chance of just all 4 initial AT guns bouncing is 0.13%. The chance of missing for the AT gun is 10 percent at this range, but with the huge hitbox of the jag, even missed shots will hit.

Upgun Shermans bouncing : 67.8% to bounce with each sherman shot. The chance to bounce the total of 8 sherman shots in this engagement is 4.47%. 25 percent chance of missing for the shermans, but with the hitbox of the jag, even missed shots will hit.

Jagdpanther hitting an AT gun : 37.5%. So a 62.5% chance to miss with each jag shot. The chances of all 8 jag shots hitting their target during the engagement : 0.04%.

So even now, without even calculating the rest of the ATG shots, or the chance of 5 HP bugs(which weigh in at a 25 percent chance) we have this probability of :

0.000000023244

That is 7 zeros behind that point. So the chance in terms people will understand is this :
1 in 5 million. So in the next 5 million games starring double jagds fighting 4 AP rounds ATGs and 2 upgun shermans, do not fear - it won't happen again. I'm guessing 5 million games starring exactly that combination far outlives the lifespan of EiRR, considering there's only been around 10 million games of CoH and all it's mods played thusfar.

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You cant experiment in EIR. You experiment, you die.

You MAY want to rethink that mate. Look at my W/L ratios across the board, I'm on the leaderboard on all 4 factions. I think it's safe to say I'm one of the most experimenty guys in the mod, together with David(shockcoil) and a few others who also happen to have great W/L ratios. Wanna guess what brought about the dreaded RT spam of the last patch? Experimenting.
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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2010, 05:30:40 am »

I only experiment with women.  Cheesy
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Calstifer Offline
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2010, 05:59:07 am »

So you'll gladly experiment with me eh?
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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2010, 06:24:51 am »

Pics or you lie!
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Calstifer Offline
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« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2010, 06:35:52 am »

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Mysthalin Offline
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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2010, 07:25:46 am »

If you can't be arsed to read something, then don't bother posting at all underneath it. Let alone quoting the entirety of that post to spam the thread.
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lionel23 Offline
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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2010, 07:33:16 am »

What the heck is TL;DR mean anyway?
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