Staplerfahrer
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« on: January 21, 2010, 02:21:59 pm » |
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Its been a while. Are the PE still choking on allied cock? Looks like it based on leaderboards. How bad do the repair changes hurt PE?
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 02:23:11 pm » |
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PE is possibly the most powerfull faction tbh.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 02:30:16 pm » |
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How so?
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2010, 02:41:44 pm » |
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They're versatile, cheap and can pack a deadly punch.
Definitely one of the stronger factions in the right hands.
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2010, 02:49:13 pm » |
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If you can micro your acs/p4s well and keep your 50mm atht/panther at range while using pgrens to prevent anything rushing them then theres not much your opponent can do.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2010, 02:53:20 pm » |
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Not to mention the Mortar HT which is absolutely fantastic.
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Smokaz
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2010, 02:54:38 pm » |
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PE is great now tbh, they just need some more tweaking, like their infantry is still pretty meh
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 03:10:58 pm » |
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Not to mention the Mortar HT which is absolutely overpowered.
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Killer344
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 03:11:33 pm » |
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Rofl.
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If I get shot and it's a gay medic fixing me up, he's not gonna be fondling my balls while he does it. You can't patch a chest wound and suck a cock at the same time.
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 03:13:41 pm » |
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PE truly shine in some areas, and utterly fail in others. The Mortar HT is fantastic yes, but their infantry are lackluster. They don't have a fuild assault style faction feel to them. Everytime i play them it feels like Mobile support spam... without much mobility.
The PE infantry at 4 pop to field a squad is a great factional asset, too bad the squads suck ass. Becuase they are 4 pop to field they don't need to be on par but they need to be reasonably close.
I feel we could be doing more to give them a Mechanized and fluid feel. Instead of a Mobile support company that is hardcountered mostly across the board by AT assets. PE is cursed(and maybe a little blessed) by the fact that when they have doctrinal bonuses(or the old ones anyway) thier doctrines stand further apart from eachother then any other factions. However as a core faction they don't stand up well next to the others.
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| Staplerfahrer
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 03:18:30 pm » |
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One of the biggest balance issues this game had was the fact that people wanted to believe their opponents held the statistical advantage. This way they could claim superiority during wins and have an excuse for losses. When pressed for reasons, people stated anecdotal theories that they concocted to fit their mindset.
But guess what! I don't need anecdotal evidence! I have leaderboard stats.
Americans Total Games: 524
Wins: 322 Losses: 158 Ratio: 2.04
British Total Games: 429
Wins: 273 Losses: 137 Ratio: 1.99
Wehrmacht Total Games: 623
Wins: 292 Losses: 278 Ratio: 1.05
Panzer Elite Total Games: 376
Wins: 223 Losses: 129 Ratio: 1.73
So... tell me again about the strongest faction.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 03:19:54 pm » |
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Its still PE tbh. US just has more better players.
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2010, 03:24:14 pm » |
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If those are EiR stats they don't mean as much in a team environment. Thats the worst place to pull faction stats from. Team composition and communication makes up a very large amount of effectiveness. Even if you used stats from 1v1's in vCoH it wouldn't mean much because it's a different game. 1v1's in EiR would be better to support factual claims but good like finding a large enough sample.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2010, 03:26:57 pm » |
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Americans Total Games: 524
Wins: 322 Losses: 158 Ratio: 2.04
British Total Games: 429
Wins: 273 Losses: 137 Ratio: 1.99
Wehrmacht Total Games: 623
Wins: 292 Losses: 278 Ratio: 1.05
Panzer Elite Total Games: 376
Wins: 223 Losses: 129 Ratio: 1.73
So... tell me again about the strongest faction.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2010, 03:27:14 pm » |
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Wehr has always been the most newb friendly faction, nothing there thats shocking.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2010, 03:27:29 pm » |
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Everytime i play them it feels like Mobile support spam... without much mobility. IHTs with shreks and ACs! Really, I think a lot of players on PE are afraid to truly play aggressive because they think the faction is not up to it (they perceive it as too great of a risk, etc) when in fact some players in the past have proven time and time again that it can be done and is incredibly powerful. Infantry based AT (and RRs in particular) are the only thing you have to fear when playing PE aggressively. But guess what! I don't need anecdotal evidence! I have leaderboard stats. Based on those leaderboard stats you could also assume that Allies in general are the dominant faction when I think most top EIR players will agree Wehrmacht are extremely competitive, and probably one of the 'better' factions in the game. Overall I think you'll find there's a consensus amongst the mod's active playerbase that all four factions are worth playing. We've come a long way in terms of balance and OF faction design. By all means, if after playing PE on a competitive level in EIR you still find they are an underpowered faction, feel free to share those concerns. |
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2010, 03:28:49 pm » |
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I'd also like to point out that I have been consistently removing losses when players have large negative win/loss ratios so any analysis of balance based on leaderboard W/L is inherently flawed.
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2010, 03:30:26 pm » |
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Well, you have access to the full stats. So post them. Stop making anecdotal statements.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2010, 03:32:54 pm » |
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Like I said, a lot of those stats were altered so there's not much point in basing anything off W/L ratios currently.
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2010, 03:34:49 pm » |
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I try to play only aggressively Unknown. I heavily use IHT's and Assault grens and similar things. Somethign i think PE desperately lacks in a form of suppression that can fit in a building. Even an LMG squad with the suppression values of the American HMG would suffice for me. I just hate not being able to actually hold ground.
Rangers are also a threat to PE units, but the current metagame has shifted rangers out of focus for the time being.
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