Jazzhead
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« on: June 15, 2010, 02:11:51 am » |
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Was the nerf on stugs really necessary? Did the buffed accuracy and suppression really make the STUG OP? The stug is not the greatest tank in the world to start, so it seems odd that the only good thing going for it (the mg) was nerfed in this t4 (in comparison to other tank mgs). Going with Rolling Thunder only buffs tanks, which means that your expensive t4 applies to maybe 3-4 units in your whole company. AB Easy Company mega-buffs all airborne units while RT buffs ~4. Please at least make those 4 units noticeably stronger in some way, shape, or form.  Edit: While we're at it, could a kind dev please tell me visual effects of RT mg buffs (not a listed of meaningless numbers or modifiers please, but more like how many bursts to suppress a ___ squad). Thanks |
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« Last Edit: June 15, 2010, 02:16:04 am by Jazzhead »
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| jackmccrack
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 02:19:43 am » |
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Start with 3 Stugs and you wtfpwn everything.
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Let's talk about PIATs in a car.
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CafeMilani
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2010, 03:31:40 am » |
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oh i didnt notice that change..what exactly changed?
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| EliteGren
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2010, 10:06:19 am » |
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It was far too good on StuGs and too crap on other tanks. The regular StuG MG is already close to the old Staghound one. With this T4 you basically had a tank destroyer supress any squad in 5 seconds.
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i prefer to no u
Don't knock it til uve tried it bitchface, this isn't anything like salads version. Besides u said a semois conversion would never work, now look that's the most played map, ohgodwhy.jpg r u map lead
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| smurfORnot
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2010, 10:22:04 am » |
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except this 'tank destroyer' can get destroyed by almost any other allies tank unless it supported...
that t4 rly sucks...
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3rdCondor
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2010, 10:22:47 am » |
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Still a great T4
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No tits, but i will bake a cake then eat it in honour of Sir Condor The 3rd
fuck the pgren rifle, fucking dogshit weapon
My beautiful black pussy won
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| EliteGren
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 10:23:45 am » |
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Yep , I've tried it and a RT Stug can basically beat anything that is not a pershing if you simply keep moving.
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| Masacree
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 10:25:27 am » |
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The vanilla stug's hmg is buffed compared to other hmgs?
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Groundfire
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 10:41:08 am » |
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The vanilla stug's hmg is buffed compared to other hmgs?
its always been far better. |
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gamesguy2
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 10:46:23 am » |
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The stug MG is identical to the wehr HT MG, which is basically a vickers HMG on wheels when it comes to suppression. The change isn't actually in yet, I was just doing some ability description updates in SQL, it will be in next patch, so probably this weekend. Going with Rolling Thunder only buffs tanks, which means that your expensive t4 applies to maybe 3-4 units in your whole company.
I have a KT and 5 stugs. Without the KT I can buy 9 stugs. |
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 11:18:11 am » |
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The vanilla stug's hmg is buffed compared to other hmgs?
For the record, this is a vCOH thing. We haven't made any changes to the mg ourselves. Why Relic decided to give the StuG a much better mg upgrade than all the other tanks, no one really knows. For now we have decided that we will not bring it in line with the other MGs. (But we are nerfing the effects of rolling thunder on the mg, else it'd be overkill) |
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| Masacree
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 11:23:07 am » |
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I just realized that.
Damage is slightly higher and the suppression is significantly higher.
How does a stug with rolling thunder compare with a p4 with rolling thunder after the change?
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 11:27:40 am » |
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Just noticed that Masacre? Heh. It's like the American .50cal MGs. The .50 cal on the Halftrack is the best damn MG the US has, while all other MGs on tanks and light vehicles are significantly nerfed to not justify their cost (IMHO). Same with the British Staghound having a unique MG too.
Stug MGs are some of the nastiest, and a Roll Thunder company gave my rangers a very hard time fighting it due to instant suppression pretty much all the time. Would like to see the MGs on the other tanks improved though like P4 and Panther.
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| Jazzhead
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 04:29:15 pm » |
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I would be fine seeing RT nerfed a bit on stugs as long as it got appropriately buffed on the other tanks. It sounded like people were saying that RT kinda sucked on p4s and panthers, which would obviously lead to KT + stug spam companies. It would be nice to see stugs retain some power since if you take the KT you can really only afford stugs.
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Unkn0wn
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 05:02:12 pm » |
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I would be fine seeing RT nerfed a bit on stugs as long as it got appropriately buffed on the other tanks. This is what we have planned AFAIK. |
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| Jazzhead
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 05:14:08 pm » |
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While we're talking about terror doc, what is happening with Terror Assault right now? I paid for 2 t2s, and 1 of them isnt functioning and the other (v1) is aimed by hellen keller....
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| Pak88mm
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 05:15:56 pm » |
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just dont buff stugs with that T4 well their mgs to be exact. if you go on nerfing the vanilla ones....fuck it im done lol
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| winisez
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2010, 09:33:42 pm » |
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While we're talking about terror doc, what is happening with Terror Assault right now? I paid for 2 t2s, and 1 of them isnt functioning and the other (v1) is aimed by hellen keller....
Didnt I warn you about those two choices? should have listened... |
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| Jazzhead
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2010, 09:36:06 pm » |
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While we're talking about terror doc, what is happening with Terror Assault right now? I paid for 2 t2s, and 1 of them isnt functioning and the other (v1) is aimed by hellen keller....
Didnt I warn you about those two choices? should have listened... I had already picked them quite a while ago  The v1 either gets a nice hit or misses by half a mile. And terror assault is supposed to be in the works right now |
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| winisez
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2010, 09:38:36 pm » |
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While we're talking about terror doc, what is happening with Terror Assault right now? I paid for 2 t2s, and 1 of them isnt functioning and the other (v1) is aimed by hellen keller....
Didnt I warn you about those two choices? should have listened... I had already picked them quite a while ago The v1 either gets a nice hit or misses by half a mile. And terror assault is supposed to be in the works right now Fair enough then, you going for sniper karafailboat guy too? or the KT? |
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