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[Mgallun74]

PE is a bitch, you have to really understand the tactics needed to win with it..
Wehr is alot easier, i currentl have like a 15-22 record as US, 6-5 with german... these are stacks, non stacks etc..

i find german units just much easier to play with, i had a nebel to vet3 in 4 games, not sure if thats all that great but meh, it at least takes me 6 or 7 games to get my  howis like that, i have had panzer 4s with 40+ kills numerous times, good luck doing that with a sherman.

allies dont need a fix, they are not OP by no means.. AB shit is not cheap, if your getting out attritioned by a AB player your doing it wrong, sorry.. Infantry players will have tons of rifles, but they are weak as shit.. i also found out you can make more mistakes with german units and get away with it..  me being the crap player iam i guess thats why i do a bit better as german.. heck, i have like 4 groups of grens with lmgs and volks with mp40s all over vet2...

i dunno, you just have to learn what each side does and how to play them, but there is nothing OP as allies, some doc buffs may be wacko, but the same can be said for many axis doct buffs too, just learn, adapt and play.. and if you lose oh well, i lose alot and still here, i just love playing the game.

[Tymathee]

like mga, i play both, i find allies easier to play with mainly cuz i've played 75% of my games as allies. Certain strategies are harder than others. If you see now, a lot of people aren't playing infantry, that's because that's the hardest of the allies to play with and win successfully, most are playing AB and Armor, most of them with callies and pershings.

on the axis side, most play blitz and terror with defensive being the dirty step child, although I play def (i find it fnuny i play 2 of the least played sides but meh)

Brits split between the two with docs

PE, most are SE with some TD sprinkled in and i'm sure we'll see tons of luft now.

If u wanna go by Leaderboard, 5 of the top 10 players in terms of wins are WM, #1 is PE and the other 4 are US. Two of the most insane accounts are axis (58-5, 53-7) most british and PE companies are no where near as good.

So conclusion? We've got hella good balance and WM Still rules for the most part. I play better on my def account than I do any other just as a ref point.

[smurfORnot]

defensive is kinda boring...blitz on other side is rly fun...and terror seems just weak...bottom t1-3 are fine,but upper t1-4 seems just kinda weak...

but yeah...before I even didnt play allies mainly wehr and pe,and I just startd with ab,had better score than with any axis acc before this,and  I played like 2 games with us before I think...

[FailHammer]

People quoting records should just stop. We have some really really talented people here, but this is a team game. Ive seen some of the records. Stack fag stack. There are only a handful of players in EiR that should legitimately have 30-3 records etc. Try playing harder games.

[SX23]

like mga, i play both, i find allies easier to play with mainly cuz i've played 75% of my games as allies.

Two of the most insane accounts are axis (58-5, 53-7) most

First, I dunno if you do it on purpose, but lying on leaderboard is just stupid. 58-5 is insane? What about 29-1 or 27-2 on the allied side? or 103-13 or 52-2? Allies beat axis on the leaderboard, I already pointed that out a few months ago. Find it in the old threads if you want.

Then most of players seems to agree on the fact that allies are easier to play than axis. And that mean we got a good balance???

When shall you consider this as unbalanced? When you'll need 2v3 for axis to wins?

[SnoOp]

I think its more difficult to play with americans in this mod then it is with wehr....I don't see the big deal, l2play.

[gamesguy2]

I think its more difficult to play with americans in this mod then it is with wehr.

Agreed, wehr just has so many options.

TH is not competative atm, but SE is very strong. 

[SX23]

I think its more difficult to play with americans in this mod then it is with wehr.

Agreed, wehr just has so many options.

TH is not competative atm, but SE is very strong. 

First, snoop, I think most players here would disagree with you. (Doing a pool maybe)?
Second,  werchmatch got so many options? What about PE?

As allies, you don't even need options. You blob 30 rifles squads and 15 m10 and you just won the game, and that for a low price. I already faced twice someone having those sort of companies, and as a PE se player, you can't do anything. Even 50mm fails due to m10 speed. (Removing fire on the move was a bad idea).

[SnoOp]

Well sorry that people can't put two and two together and formulate strats.....I assumed that most of the people here actually used there brain and were not mentally challenged.

[SX23]

Well sorry that people can't put two and two together and formulate strats.....I assumed that most of the people here actually used there brain and were not mentally challenged.

What a friendly community member you make Snoop, thank you.
I just proposed to have a pool to actually have an overall view on this community on the matter. (Maybe putting one on the front page)?.

[gamesguy2]

As allies, you don't even need options. You blob 30 rifles squads and 15 m10 and you just won the game, and that for a low price. I already faced twice someone having those sort of companies, and as a PE se player, you can't do anything. Even 50mm fails due to m10 speed. (Removing fire on the move was a bad idea).

My 50mm have no trouble raping M10s.  My last game with SE one of my 50mm had 3 tank kills by itself 10 minutes into the game.  Muni HT deployed mines(both normal and saturation/tellar) is just ridiculously good.

And the last time I ran into a rifle spam company my hummel had 70 kills.

[SnoOp]

Go for the poll plz, I think most will just choose my opinion because they hate you...

[SX23]

As allies, you don't even need options. You blob 30 rifles squads and 15 m10 and you just won the game, and that for a low price. I already faced twice someone having those sort of companies, and as a PE se player, you can't do anything. Even 50mm fails due to m10 speed. (Removing fire on the move was a bad idea).

My 50mm have no trouble raping M10s.

And the last time I ran into a rifle spam company my hummel had 70 kills.

You'll forgive me if I don't have Hummels yet.
And just by the way, m10, with their speed, can easily outflank  the 50mm by either getting outside of firing range while closing in or by passing being a building.

As I already pointed out on the 2nd page, I don't want this thread to be a unit/doc specific balance vs balance. I just want to have an opinion on the overall view of the community considering the actual gameplay with axis/allies.  And my suggestion still stand, as I'm sure making a pool could settle those matters down once and for all.

[SX23]

Snoop, no one here have whatsoever reason to hate me. Have I been insulting to anyone in any matter?
The answer is no. In contrary of you...

I assumed that most of the people here actually used there brain and were not mentally challenged...

Go for the poll plz, I think most will just choose my opinion because they hate you...

[SnoOp]

Lol yeh but im nice to to everyone besides you......your like that weird crazy person who babbles on about unimportant things.

[SX23]

Lol yeh but im nice to to everyone besides you......your like that weird crazy person who babbles on about unimportant things.

If there's a moderator on, isn't insulting others against the forum's rules?

And besides Snoops, that's the whole balance between axis/allies that we're talking about and it's unimportant?

[SnoOp]

Yesssss Harassment!......And yes it is unimportant, many people like the game the way it is....theres a few tweaks that need to be made ofc....but so far your like one of 3 people who voice there opinion. Most don't even agree.

[gamesguy2]

You'll forgive me if I don't have Hummels yet.
And just by the way, m10, with their speed, can easily outflank  the 50mm by either getting outside of firing range while closing in or by passing being a building.

As I already pointed out on the 2nd page, I don't want this thread to be a unit/doc specific balance vs balance. I just want to have an opinion on the overall view of the community considering the actual gameplay with axis/allies.  And my suggestion still stand, as I'm sure making a pool could settle those matters down once and for all.

You don't need hummels to stop riflespam.  The super OP scout car MG, ACs, etc are all very good vs rifles.  Even the humble infantry halftrack can kill essentially an arbitrary number of riflemen with kiting.

50mm is 4 pop, M10 is 10 pop.  Why would you ever have only one 50mm vs one M10?  Plus with proper scouting the 50mm can get off two shots before the M10 even gets in range.

Then go make a different thread with a poll, no one is stopping you.

[CrazyWR]

I think its more difficult to play with americans in this mod then it is with wehr.

Agreed, wehr just has so many options.

TH is not competative atm, but SE is very strong. 

First, snoop, I think most players here would disagree with you. (Doing a pool maybe)?
Second,  werchmatch got so many options? What about PE?

As allies, you don't even need options. You blob 30 rifles squads and 15 m10 and you just won the game, and that for a low price. I already faced twice someone having those sort of companies, and as a PE se player, you can't do anything. Even 50mm fails due to m10 speed. (Removing fire on the move was a bad idea).

I would agree with him.  Its far easier to win as wehr, even as a lvl 1 vs lvl 9 allies then vs lvl9 wehr with lvl1 allies...also, using 50mms only vs m10 spam is lols...learn to diversify your AT, stop spamming with PE, the best PE AT is balanced, not spam.  A few clown cars, a few marders, a couple 50mms, some mines, maybe a panther.  Don't put all your eggs in one basket...PE IMO has the best AT options in the entire mod, and its funny to me that you can't handle m10 spam honestly...

[SX23]

You'll forgive me if I don't have Hummels yet.
And just by the way, m10, with their speed, can easily outflank  the 50mm by either getting outside of firing range while closing in or by passing being a building.

As I already pointed out on the 2nd page, I don't want this thread to be a unit/doc specific balance vs balance. I just want to have an opinion on the overall view of the community considering the actual gameplay with axis/allies.  And my suggestion still stand, as I'm sure making a pool could settle those matters down once and for all.

You don't need hummels to stop riflespam.  The super OP scout car MG, ACs, etc are all very good vs rifles.

50mm is 4 pop, M10 is 10 pop.  Why would you ever have only one 50mm vs one M10?  Plus with proper scouting the 50mm can get off two shots before the M10 even gets in range.

Then go make a different thread with a poll, no one is stopping you.

I've got no idea on how to make a poll...
And just like that, Crazy, go find solvarys23reich. He spammed M10 and trust me he can kick your ass if you're pe se anyday.  I'm also aware that PE got different at options. Shrecks get crushed or killed by the rifle blob, panther vs 2 m10s is just funny, marders are worst than 50mm, and you can go on like that for a long time.


And as I said  numerous times :
THIS IS NOT A POST TO VOICE OPINIONS ABOUT SPECIFICS UNITS/DOC. IT IS AN OVERVIEW OF CURRENT GAMEPLAY WITH AXIS / ALLIES.

Therefor, do not talk about specifics problem, but only give your toughts on the general gameplay we have now.