Firesparks
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« on: July 13, 2010, 05:15:57 am » |
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first of all. The hellcat bonus in Eir is nerfed compared to vanilla. It's 2.0X penetration and 1.5 damage in eir, compared to 5X penetration and 2 X damage in vanilla.
I think the Penetration bonus should be brought back to 5X, or the Hellcat's main gun need to have a penetration increase.
The hellcat's main gun penetration is already roughly half of the m10 3 inch by default and the camo bonus merely increase the hellcat's penetration to roughly m10's level. Considering that the hellcat already have lower agility compared to the m10, this make the hellcat fairly useless.
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AmPM
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2010, 11:20:31 am » |
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I think this was changed back when AP rounds were uber to tone down AP round Camo Alphastrike.
The camo bonus should be changed back to make these tanks effective without having to take a t4.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 11:23:28 am » |
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blame the hellcats suckiness on Relic lol, i cant believe they even implemented the hellcat the way they did... its sad really.. hellcat was faster, more nimble, and its gun was better than m10, but in this game its like gooberness... somebody at relic must have had a family member in german army at bastonge that got raped by the hellcats there and took it out on the in game one..
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AmPM
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 11:27:34 am » |
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It was faster, more nimble, the gun had about the same effectiveness as the 3" gun on the m10 but on a much smaller vehicle...why its the size of a pershing in game I have no idea...
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Groundfire
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2010, 11:41:02 am » |
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Relic's model proportions in general are all very screwed up.
Relics Mardar and Hotchkiss are just fucking massive.
They just wanted to make the new units look big and scary.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2010, 12:08:42 pm » |
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Lol hotchkiss big and scary you crack me up LOL!
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2010, 12:18:35 pm » |
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Lol hotchkiss big and scary you crack me up LOL!
hey now, let somebody make a Battle of France mod for this game.. hotchkiss's and S35s for the win.. lol. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2010, 12:23:14 pm » |
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Lol hotchkiss big and scary you crack me up LOL!
hey now, let somebody make a Battle of France mod for this game.. hotchkiss's and S35s for the win.. lol. And shooting only while not moving due to stupid french tank tactics and 2 person crew |
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2010, 12:56:56 pm » |
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Marder 3 in reality is a eeetty piitty tiny assault gun. Its laughable small haha
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Mister Schmidt
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2010, 01:50:03 pm » |
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You're thinking of Marder I/II
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Groundfire
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 02:08:46 pm » |
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The left one is how it should be.  |
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gamesguy2
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2010, 02:41:04 pm » |
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The nerf had nothing to do with AP rounds. Back then P4s dominated the meta-game and the M18 almost hard countered the P4 with it's ability to scoot up to 45 range, cloak, and take half the P4's hp away with one shot. Then it runs away and does it again.
The main advantage of the M18 has always been the ability for it to scout for itself.
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AmPM
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2010, 02:44:44 pm » |
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Not really, since its gun doesn't do shit vs most tanks. The main advantage has been the ability to ambush. Right now its useless next to the m10. I have 2 just because I like them, but I rarely use them anymore.
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gamesguy2
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2010, 02:47:36 pm » |
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Not really, since its gun doesn't do shit vs most tanks. The main advantage has been the ability to ambush. Right now its useless next to the m10. I have 2 just because I like them, but I rarely use them anymore.
Which is completely irrelevant because back when it was nerfed 90% of tanks were P4s. This was back in the hayday of P4 spam galore. The P4 is much less used now, and thus M18 feels much weaker. It's main role has always been a P4 counter. |
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AmPM
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2010, 02:51:16 pm » |
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Which the m10 does better in every case. Better gun, same speeds really, same sight for all intents and purposes; and she can actually PENETRATE.
I do use the m18 for things like chasing Halftracks though, just for fun. The thing is, the nerf was made back in the p4 spamtime, great. For what purpose? TO prevent AP round using m18's from raping a P4 in 2-3 shots. Got it. I USED THEM.
Now with AP rounds being considerably weaker, the ambush bonus nerfed, and most tanks being Panthers and up, its really kind of fail.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2010, 03:08:38 pm » |
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Which means it's just something that happened with the changes in meta-game. Nothing actually changed about the efficiency of the M-18, nor about the efficiency of the Panzer IV. Therefore, no change will come to either tank - just because people spam something else at the moment doesn't make the units useless.
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AmPM
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2010, 03:12:56 pm » |
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Except its sole purpose was not killing P4's. The lack of P4's is not why it sucks, it just sucks for costing more and being less effective at its role of tank destroyer than m10's are. The nerf to ambush to help the P4 survive more was not a good change for this vehicle.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2010, 03:13:25 pm » |
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More of a problem with M10s, rather than M18s...
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2010, 03:14:31 pm » |
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Hellcat is awesome for defensive style player. Hellcat vet2 counter P4 very easy, hellcat vet3 can counter Hetzer
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AmPM
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2010, 03:58:57 pm » |
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The only solution would be to make the m10 gun as shit as the m18 gun. =)
Other than the weapon they are basically identical with the m10 being cheaper by 5 fuel.
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