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[arsonist123]

Of course, if is it because of the said instincts, or alone conclusion, you can then said religion guide you. If it is cause of society, you can then assume that it has been used against (or for, depending on your point of view) you.

For the second point, I totally agree. Pretending genetics determines everything is quite stupid, as you ignore, in it's integrability, human societies thorough history.

Thats not what I meant =/.. but thanks for calling me stupid... because I deserved that.. You want to act all high, mighty and appropriate keep the thread appropriate. I meant Genetics comes from your parents who pass on the traits such as liver cancer and etc... and Genetics Does in fact influence what you like.. but it's not like if its absolute truth assuming that its my complete argument is Bias your'e not Reading what I said I clearly stated that are many varying factors and you practically repeated what i said! I feel like you're just trying to prove me wrong for the sense of sanity Its Acupuncture for the mind. and The whole "clone thing" You do know that clones are imperfect right? Up to date Many "cloning" has had major malfunctions till you prove to me Some Journalism Till you can bring me papers Your'e just proving Off of data thats not complete. I don't believe Hypothesis, I believe Facts and Potential theory that can become law.. Your arguments are as good you Calling me stupid.

P.s Also the fact that you guys assumed that I assumed making you assumereally makes all look like an ASS So don't jump to conclusion Since when is anyone that simple minded? I might of not been very clear in my statement I was just trying to show an example.... But Very bad examples at that. But as you wish carry on  The only thing I wanted to put into this thread was one point of opinion. But you haddddd to say YOUR WRONG like a fucking first grader...

[SX23]

I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic.

If I may ask, what's the purpose of knowing it?

[SX23]

Thats not what I meant =/.. but thanks for calling me stupid... because I deserved that.. You want to act all high, mighty and appropriate keep the thread appropriate. I meant Genetics comes from your parents who pass on the traits such as liver cancer and etc... and Genetics Does in fact influence what you like.. but it's not like if its absolute truth assuming that its my complete argument is Bias your'e not Reading what I said I clearly stated that are many varying factors and you practically repeated what i said! I feel like you're just trying to prove me wrong for the sense of sanity Its Acupuncture for the mind. and The whole "clone thing" You do know that clones are imperfect right? Up to date Many "cloning" has had major malfunctions till you prove to me Some Journalism Till you can bring me papers Your'e just proving Off of data thats not complete. I don't believe Hypothesis, I believe Facts and Potential theory that can become law.. Your arguments are as good you Calling me stupid.

I did not pretend you as stupid. I pretend the one that said genetics determine everything is.
And the base of your point is that there is no point arguing, due to the fact that we would talk about subjects, that would, according to you, be affected by genetic-bias.

And I quote you :

But The way you love something and hate others.. IS genetics... It's proven, by religion and science -.- alike. If you like/hate sports = Genetics, You are fast runner or smart and quick on feet = genetics.... Really all those are just traits picked up by parents and the mixing of anomaly.

Besides, Science never assumed it was all due to genetics, same for religion.

[Unkn0wn]

If I may ask, what's the purpose of knowing it?

I'm not on a quest to find a certain truth, I simply withhold myself from making impossible claims in regards to the existence (or non-existence) of some sort of deity in whichever form it may occur (or have occured for that matter).

The problem with atheism is that it falsifies all religions on basis of there not being an 'interventionist god'.
Just because we do not knowingly experience the presence of a God in any way does not necessarily mean God does not exist.

[Sharpshooter824]

Why exactly was this thread started? We all know everyone has different views, what is the point, just for the sake of arguing?

[Unkn0wn]

A fun philosophical read on the subject of religion by the way

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

[Unkn0wn]

Why exactly was this thread started? We all know everyone has different views, what is the point, just for the sake of arguing?

Why not? As long as it stays within the boundries of respect there is no reason not to let people discuss.

[SX23]

Why exactly was this thread started? We all know everyone has different views, what is the point, just for the sake of arguing?

Isn't the goal of all conversation to argue about a peculiar subject?

[SX23]

A fun philosophical read on the subject of religion by the way

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal

If I understood it well, it's nothing more than an argumentation based on historic events. In my opinion, it's not philosophical. If you want, however, to argue about any peculiar points in the articles, I'll be happy to do so.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Isn't the goal of all conversation to argue about a peculiar subject?

I disagree, while yes arguing about it is necessary for the conversation the goal is to attempt to achieve the truth.

And please don't ask me what the truth is, while i have my beliefs which are a combination of faith (not to be confused with religion for while i am technically a protestant i would still be a heretic as i don't believe most of whats preached just the basic values and the existence of a god or  possibly gods nor do i attend church) and science, i have no clue what the truth is

[SX23]

I disagree, while yes arguing about it is necessary for the conversation the goal is to attempt to achieve the truth.

According to you, the truth would  then be formed by a consensus established over a conversation. And that said consensus would go in favour of whom presented the best arguments. Then, the goal of each conversation would be to argue in the way we consider as best to achieve a said consensus, wouldn't it?

[Unkn0wn]

Except that no consensus can really be reached on the subject of whether or not there is a deity. The truth is that there's either one or there isn't but it's impossible for humans to find out.

[Spartan_Marine88]

According to you, the truth would  then be formed by a consensus established over a conversation. And that said consensus would go in favour of whom presented the best arguments. Then, the goal of each conversation would be to argue in the way we consider as best to achieve a said consensus, wouldn't it?

It could be, but often in presenting ones ideas and beliefs we may imprint and adjust another persons idea so that by the time said consensus has been achieved it is vastly different from where any of the sides have started. Such an alteration may take a long period of time, and as like most discussions they are repeated over and over again by the multitude.

Although as often i have found throughout history that the best theorists existed from before the Catholic rise, when both science and religion could be accepted hand in hand, and neither side would just dismiss an idea just because it came from the other side like so many of us do today.

Except that no consensus can really be reached on the subject of whether or not there is a deity. The truth is that there's either one or there isn't but it's impossible for humans to find out.

And just to correct, its impossible for us to find out at our current technological level maybe in a hundred years we will have the power to at least know. As an avid Stargate fan, one thing has come up over and over again. What makes a deity, is it power, morality? If we do meet a higher being how do we determine that that is god, or just a life form that has evolved higher or before us?

[SX23]

Except that no consensus can really be reached on the subject of whether or not there is a deity. The truth is that there's either one or there isn't but it's impossible for humans to find out.

Why would no consensus could be achieved on this subject between two individuals? You are implying that no objective truth can be achieved on the subject. In that case, I'm sure you would agree with me that subjective truth can be achieved. Or would you deny the fact that millions of our kind have pretended to be believers?
Objective truth is based on a consensus about a peculiar subject. The arguments, and therefore the subject itself, would be inserted with a subjective view of it, based on one's knowledge and experience, which will result in a decision that we will consider to be an objective truth. We can then concluded that objective truths are based on subjectives opinions. Then again, god existence is a subject that have been debated with subjectives arguments. Following your own logic, we could only be more certain about the answer we would obtain.

[SX23]

And just to correct, its impossible for us to find out at our current technological level maybe in a hundred years we will have the power to at least know. As an avid Stargate fan, one thing has come up over and over again. What makes a deity, is it power, morality? If we do meet a higher being how do we determine that that is god, or just a life form that has evolved higher or before us?

What we would consider as god would be what we determine is god, depending on the judgment we would have of the being.

What makes living beings is the ability to choose, what makes an human beings is the ability to judge. (My quote )

[Spartan_Marine88]

What we would consider as god would be what we determine is god, depending on the judgment we would have of the being.

What makes living beings is the ability to choose, what makes an human beings is the ability to judge. (My quote )

But not disputing your opinion, but how can we ever determine if god really does or doesn't exist till we manage to achieve a true consensus or at least a list of what a 'god'. And i doubt that will ever happen

[roflmao]

not another god debate

[SX23]

not another god debate

Post a constructive opinion or don't post at all.

[SX23]

But not disputing your opinion, but how can we ever determine if god really does or doesn't exist till we manage to achieve a true consensus or at least a list of what a 'god'. And i doubt that will ever happen

In some sort of way, this can only be individual, depending on your own definition of god, your knowledge and moral ethics. Then after you try to convince others you have the right view.

[Spartan_Marine88]

not another god debate

This debate has remained pure and professional, please don't turn it into a flame war or a parody