Pak 36- working as intended?

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[winisez]

The pak 36 is one of two units unlocked by the t3 defensive ability called recomissioned weapons, most of you now the Nebel 280mm by now, however I feel due to the Nebels effectivness the pak 36 is not really paid any attention.

Ive been playing with loads of them, 6-8 in my companies and trying to get the most out of them. They are ostwind guns mounted in the pak38 gun, they honestly dont seem very good. The issues they face are several fold, some that seem intentional, others seem not intentional.

One of the issues is it cant move. I know right, obvious? with the ostwinds gun at range 45 though, as an anti infantry support weapon its not very effective, having limited range and limited mobility- this to me is one of the intentional limitations of the weapon, however it makes it pretty crap. I was thinking maybe it could do either either a range increase or a rate of fire increase to make it a bit more effective in this regard.

The second problem with the little thing is the one I beleive is probably intentional, it fires an ostwind shot, which is by and large very inaccurate, but due to a rather low scatter angle it still hits fairly often. However due to the pak36 being so low to the ground it hits any little bumps or bushes, all the time. This makes the weapon only useable on roads and open fields, which makes the weapon pretty silly to use most of the time.  I have no idea how to fix this issue.

thoughts on the little guy? fine as is? could be a bit better? already too good?

[Mysthalin]

It's ROF seems a lot slower than the ostwind one to me, too.

The only true use I see in the unit is it's ability to take 4 or 5 AT gun shots and keep on trucking - which makes it good enough cannon fodder when you're also flanking with a tank. That being said - you could just get a non-unlock, cheaper mortar which will take out the AT gun without needing to act as cannon fodder.

[smurfORnot]

they should give us something like mounted bofor on mobile platform...thing from saving private Ryan would be sweet  

so 280mm was nerfed,and is not worth anymore...obvious reason for that t3 was 280mm,and 36 is nothing special,so yeah...45pp went down the loo...

[winisez]

maybe just make it like a boffers?, that would not suffer many of issues created by the ostwind weapon, and has a higher rate of fire that I think would make the weapon better.

what do people think of this idea?

[RoyalHants]

they should give us something like mounted bofor on mobile platform...thing from saving private Ryan would be sweet  

so 280mm was nerfed,and is not worth anymore...obvious reason for that t3 was 280mm,and 36 is nothing special,so yeah...45pp went down the loo...

Mystahlin uses them goddamn effactivlry with his 9 (280mm)

[winisez]

Thats nice but what do you think of the pak 36 and my idea's?

[smurfORnot]

Mystahlin uses them goddamn effactivlry with his 9 (280mm)

so that's around -8/10 oversuplly  and zero other support weapons...

[Mysthalin]

I have 8 of them. And to be perfectly fair - they're more or less so crap : any company can beat them without any kind of early preparation, utilising the most basic of tactics - not my fault people can't think creatively.

[Nijo]

what? i think its working fine caus it rapes my inf when get in range...

[Mysthalin]

which gun are you talking about? Because in my experience - neither the neb nor the pak are actuallly good vs inf.

[Groundfire]

pak36 makes a "no-fly zone" for infantry tbh. If your not killing infantry with this gun, you obviously do not have it pointed in the correct direction at any point while its on the field.

maybe just make it like a boffers?, that would not suffer many of issues created by the ostwind weapon, and has a higher rate of fire that I think would make the weapon better.

This was the original idea, the pak36 is the closest model we have to simulating a push-able bofors. the static bofors, with the stats that it has "right now" is too powerful to be pushable and redeployable. The ostwind gun is a good substitute.

[Mysthalin]

Groundfire, we literally had 4 pak 36's shooting at a squad of airborne(first shot fired from ambush). Not a single shot hit in 3 volleys.
Also, one pak 36 had been stolen by the enemy. I merely charged a volks squad at it, and the pak was shooting throughout my entire charge. Only ONE shot hit - one that was fired when I was literally on top of the 36.

So yeah, the 36 isn't at all good vs infantry - not in our experience.

[Groundfire]

Well

Groundfire, we literally had 4 pak 36's shooting at a squad of airborne(first shot fired from ambush). Not a single shot hit in 3 volleys.

I dont believe this first situation. Please make a video and post it here.

Judging from my experiences with this pak36, they are always the first gun I steal, and the one I avoid the most, because it is an ostwind gun and the pak36 is so durable.

I know for damn sure it evaporates rifles and rangers. Maybe you got some bad rolls?

[Mister Schmidt]

I agree with Groundfire tbh, whenever I've used it, it really pulls its weight.

[Rudy-sanErik]

If you are talking about Pak 36 (t) ... (4 cm kanon vz. 36) ... so it's primarily a weapon invented in the Czechoslovakian Skoda for Czechoslovak fortifications. And it's (been) anti-tank weapons. Firing rate up to 35 shots per second and can be used cluster ammunition and anti-tank. Its biggest advantage was the possibility of mounting a machine gun, and scope vz.36. As you all know, had the caliber to 47 mm. I think he's right cadence (cadence Bofors has 130 rounds per second), but effective against infantry and light vehicles or armored shit (like Stuart or Stag) it could have been improved a bit and hiw weight is 325kg so a speed can littlebit UP ....
and if you put this little boy to Luft doctrine would by nice

[Mysthalin]

I dont believe this first situation. Please make a video and post it here.

I don't keep replays of every single game I play, sorry.
You can ask Louis to verify this happening - it's likely to do with the 0.35 long range accuracy modifier.


I can agree with you where you say it's durable - but it's way worse than the actual ostwind gun.

[smurfORnot]

still,36 should be able to cloack...

[Mgallun74]

still,36 should be able to cloack...

dude, whats people wanting all this cloaking shit, we have enough of it, starting to be star trek with birds of prey and shit.

[Mysthalin]

It can? and with the T2 - it can even move around?

[brn4meplz]

Neither of the new units benefit from Doctrinal bonuses.
That was an inclusion decision so that we could evaluate them DIRECTLY based on their merit and not be clouded with doctrine bonuses. The 280mm nebel would be a good example of this