Lionels vet 3 rangers hide in buildings vs the firestorm nebel

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[lionel23]

Nebs dont need to hit the building to kill, that's the problem. It needs to be treated like every other piece of arty and actually hit the building to kill, not splash outside and instant kill whole squads.

[3rdCondor]

Lol Lionel u failed xD lmao!

- Win

[rifle87654]

Power of an M16?
5.56mm NATO round doesn't do much punch.
Or is it M16 Quad?
4 .50 MG

[Spartan_Marine88]

Power of an M16?
5.56mm NATO round doesn't do much punch.
Or is it M16 Quad?
4 .50 MG

Actually Rifle, the M16 is quite powerful, while it does not have the sheer power or reliability of an AK - 47. It still is a tried and true modern gun (its not the faulty POS from vietnam) It has seen alot of upgrades and modification but retains the same look due to the fact, that the gun is somewhat of an icon.

(hell i could see if they mass produced energy weapons, for the US to keep the same look as its a symbol of thier power)

[Silver1Wolf2]

More times than not nebels are merely "gtfo of here" weapons and rarely do any actual damage and tanks just laugh if they get hit by one so this is a rare occurrence which is down more to allied noobiness than the unit's wtf-ness. Every arty unit has its glory moments and it's "shit yourself laughing" moments (back in the day when I was playing old EiR I had a calliope kills 2 pumas and cripple a tiger in cover and then completely fail to kill a sniper in the open) to modify them just to be fair would require the following: slower travel time for the calliope rockets and howie shells, not by much but by enough so people can act like they do with the nebel and get the hell out of Dodge (howitzer is almost at that level, the calliope isn't and any skilled calliope user will use a sniper or two to spot units in the open and just level them).

[arsonist123]

i see what you mean silver but I dont think the point is about balance.... its just the LOLs in nebels....... they're hands down the best artillery in the game but they can be predicted .

[rifle87654]

Poor Lionel...
We mourn for him...
 

[kwiatekkek]

no we dont
 

[ImmanioEiR]

Much as I love seeing vet 3 elite units die, and much as I love using nebels, that whole "1 hit from a nebel or stuka killing everything inside a building instantly" is... not to my liking.

[Killer344]

Stukas don't have that crit.

[brn4meplz]

not even a crit

but it's established CoH. the AVRE has the same thing but it makes sense on a unit like that.

[AmPM]

Actually Rifle, the M16 is quite powerful, while it does not have the sheer power or reliability of an AK - 47. It still is a tried and true modern gun (its not the faulty POS from vietnam) It has seen alot of upgrades and modification but retains the same look due to the fact, that the gun is somewhat of an icon.

(hell i could see if they mass produced energy weapons, for the US to keep the same look as its a symbol of thier power)

Spartan, even better, the M16 was never the issue with the accuracy or knockdown, that was the round. Since the 1980's we've been using a "Green" round without a lead core to reduce environmental impact (retarded); thats going away in favor of a real round, which puts the M16 and M4 performance ahead of the 7.62mm in pretty much every category other than hole size.

To add to the confusion, there are now 2 "Green" rounds, sorry about that. One is the older round, which we use in training and outside of training where people don't want lead in their ground water, aka, everywhere....

The new one is fancy and is an effective round.

[brn4meplz]

and stopping power. 5.56 rounds waste alot of their kinetic energy in whatever is behind a target. often times just puncturing right through a flesh target. This lessens the actual wound area or any sort of frangible fun that may cause severe internal injury. Allowing combatants wounded by 5.56 to survive wounds that would be fatal with other rounds. Of course this survival 'bonus' also applies to civilians who end up getting shot.

Unfortunately you don't design a standard issue firearm with incidental civilian casualties in mind so it's not a benefit.

[AmPM]

What are you talking about, US Rounds tumble on impact, those things are nasty and may not even exit anywhere near where they entered.

Not sure if your rounds differ in Canada much, but the 5.56 we use is causes some really nasty wounds.

[brn4meplz]

we use the same ammo. Ball 4/1 trace it'll only tumble if it hits a solid enough bone to redirect the bullet.

[CTGCurwen]

the 5.56 is made to make the enemy live after being hit, no consideration for civilians. it may sound stupid but it is not ment to be a instant kill but just wound teh enemy. if you hit a limb there still teh smae effect as teh 7.62 but instead of being blown of it just mangled. but you still cant use it! it about hits to the tourso that the piont of the smaller 5.56 round being effective, it not about creating a football sized exit wound like 7.62 rounds can make but leaving the guy on the ground cripple and screeming, so his buddy stops shooting and tries to help him. that two men out of the fight with one hit. a dead guy only get you one. pluss with a wounded comrade there is a great  chancxe they will surrender, pull back as theywant to save his life, but it is still deadly, lets face it rounds into the main organs will kill all unless thy are very lucky.  so 5.65 is fatal but it gives you teh added wounded multiplyer. 

[AmPM]

Brn, the round will actually turn even if it doesn't hit a solid mass, and then fracture. But the issue we've been having is that this requires a certain minimum velocity. The round we currently use (its not very dense) has trouble maintaining that velocity at range.

The newer rounds have no such issue.

[Spartan_Marine88]

C7 and M16 both tumble upon impact. Curwen, i don't know where you got that info from, but 5.56 was made to cause fatal injury by tumbeling. Litterally hitting you and turning into a hot ball of spinning metal that randomly twists through you coring you

Its the 7.62 that has the problem with punching right through a target at extreme velocity that can CAN potentially leave a target alive. Although a 7.62 can render lots of cover useless as it will punch right through and into you. (as seen in vietnam, american soldiers using trees as cover would be killed by a bullet punching right through into the soldier and making the wound worse as large amounts of the velocity were spent on the tree, often leaving the bullet in the wound.)


They both have thier differences, while the green ammo is a nice touch, coming from the users of DU ammo that leave areas irradiated after heavy usage its a little bit weak. And having your ground water saturated with blood is about as bad as lead in it. But when it comes right down to it, i have hear a lot of proffesionials split 50/50 about which is better, which ust tells me taht the weapons are, um balanced

[Computer991]

[rifle87654]

C7>M16A2 because C7 has full auto.

so his buddy stops shooting and tries to help him. that two men out of the fight with one hit. a dead guy only get you one.

that makes sense
that theory was repeated over and over again on TV
but about surrender...
You still have to follow the damn Geneva Treaty.
War is already cruel.
That damn treaty along with another done in Hague is BS.

Who cares?