[PE] Hummel spread fix

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[LeoPhone]

what spread? according to corsix scatter is same as 105.


I have a theory though:

the 25 pdr has less range than the 105. This results in the barrage being used at a shorter range on average and shells going lower in the air and coming down at a less steep angle. this cause the 25 pdr to overshoot or "undershoot?" more.

like this:

[nugnugx]

so how can you explain that hummel also misfires on closer ranges ?

[Spartan_Marine88]

Yea, but the buggest problem atm is that everyone wants arty to seem like real arty.

The biggest problem was that there were rarely that many 'over/under shoots' How it would work is 2 shots were fired called 'ranging' shots, 1 infront of the target accuracy confirmed by radioman, 1 behind once more confrimed, then they would carpet the area between it.

A very effective artillery doctrine developed as they realized in ww1 massed arty just didn't do a good enough job at knocking out hardened positions, but it was great at supporting or destroying an attack.

Hell, i laugh at the assumption that indirect fire was innaccurate a good radioman and experienced gun crew could hit a tank on the move.

Im also not talking just allied stuff either, axis equipment was generally better, just less of it.

[LeoPhone]

so how can you explain that hummel also misfires on closer ranges ?

I just explained it there above? It does not matter which artillery piece you are using but at what range you are. because of the 25 pdrs inability to go long range its average accuracy is lower. I think...

Ill do some ingame tests.

[nugnugx]

I just explained it there above? It does not matter which artillery piece you are using but at what range you are. because of the 25 pdrs inability to go long range its average accuracy is lower. I think...

Ill do some ingame tests.

yes you explained long range of hummel vs low range of 25pdr .

but when hummel shoots on closer range it shoots 'up' just like 25pdr and any other arty piece and bullets are not flying as steep as on long range but it still misses.


also , howie on max range fires with the same steep as hummel and it does not spread as much. Their range is the same.

Even Brn said hummel has a higher scatter angle (page 3)

[LeoPhone]

I was never talking about the hummel.

I did the tests, and the formula for scatter calc is pretty simple:

average width of barrage area  =  scatter angle of arty piece * range

average length of barrage area  =  - angle of floor / scatter angle of arty piece / range 




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[LeoPhone]

wow... I just checked the hummel's stats in corsix. it has double the scatter of all other arty pieces and fires only 4 instead of 6 rounds. wtf???

[nugnugx]

wow... I just checked the hummel's stats in corsix. it has double the scatter of all other arty pieces and fires only 4 instead of 6 rounds. wtf???

no kiddin

[nugnugx]

Why hummel cannot get something like this if  brits RCA get this for all of their artillery ?

[Artekas]

Because the Hummel has its own doctrinal buffs?

[VERTIGGO]

Leo - I think those might be backwards, because at least from the videos and my memory I think the Hummel's trajectory is higher at short range, i.e. the barrel points higher to hit closer targets (more like the mortar trajectory), because at long range it definitely scatters more.

The Hummel in CoH is specifically intended to target armor, however. That is why the splash is low, but because of the scatter, it's not the greatest at its own job. The incendiary rounds, on the other hand, turn an underpowered weapon into an overpowered one since 16 different fires work best when spread out. Not that these are the only stats that count, but just look at the leaderboard - more than 50% of all the Hummels are at vet 3 whereas only a few Priests are. The burn is currently way too much, and because of the spread ensures that anything within the target circle has a very slim chance of even retreating out of it.

[Tymathee]

Vertiggo, its not intended to target armor, its intended to target emplacements and buildings, it's very good at taking those down, which is why it has the high penetration but of course it does well against armor.

I agree the Incendiary rounds are a bit much, they need to be about 2x as big as the spread from a Nebel and should fire 4 rounds instead of 6, which i've never really understood, it's not even in the tooltip description.

Why hummel cannot get something like this if  brits RCA get this for all of their artillery ?

Because the Hummel doesn't seem to need it? The doc abilities it gets are obviously doing well, any time someone has a 3 hummel company and regularly puts out 2 at a time then u know they're quite strong. I dont' see any 2 or 3 priest coy's do u?

btw anyone surprised i dont have a priest or hummel coy lol and my howie, my single howie, is only vet 2 heh...go figure.

[AmPM]

Why would you use 3 priests when you can put out 2-3 25lbrs that do the same thing for less?

[Spartan_Marine88]

Why would you use 3 priests when you can put out 2-3 25lbrs that do the same thing for less?

No, 1 priest is better then 3 25 pdrs

[Tymathee]

Why would you use 3 priests when you can put out 2-3 25lbrs that do the same thing for less?

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mobility, range, more precise barrage and a small ability to defend itself

[LeoPhone]

and the priest can crush wooden walls!
not stone walls though.

[Spartan_Marine88]

although the priest will die faster from pumas and ac's 20 mm cannon then from any other vehicle

[LeoPhone]

25 pdr dies to small arms, and its own units coz its not shot blocking everyone tries to shoot over the emplacement.

[Tymathee]

also 25s dont retain vet well

[Firesparks]

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mobility, range, more precise barrage and a small ability to defend itself

and damage. Priest shell deal 200 damage compare to 125 damage on the 25 pdr