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[Unkn0wn]

Yea, doesn't matter what religion they're from really. It's not like they speak in name of the Islam. Every religion has its batshit crazy or retarded people.

[Mister Schmidt]

No Smokaz, they were Muslims, self proclaimed ones, and yes I agree they're idiots, but to do something like that is pathetic.

What's worse, since it's a protest, they would have had to have had police escort to keep them safe, as if they hadn't, they would have been absolutely destroyed, let me tell you that.

[RoyalHants]

What's worse, since it's a protest, they would have had to have had police escort to keep them safe, as if they hadn't, they would have been absolutely destroyed, let me tell you that.

i was first in the line to beat the **** out of them

[salan]

The conflict is Irrelevant. It's Armed Forces members regardless of nationality or occupation. The world wars take most of the spotlight but it's veterans in general.

this will probably change as the current population ages and dies.. Soon there will be heavier emphasis on Korea and Vietnam ... with hopefully rememberances of WWII and WWI still.

[Tine]

In Holland we have Bevrijdingsdag, it means liberationday.
ITs on 5th of May and its the day Holland was liberated by america/canada.

[Demon767]

psht fk off mister schmit your being prejudice against all muslims

[TheLastArmada]

Religion is an outdated weapon of war

[Spartan_Marine88]

Religion is an outdated weapon of war

Oh please, first it was religion, then Idealism, they aren't a weapon but an excuse. Its always been about power, land and wealth.

To quote Fallout "War never changes"

this will probably change as the current population ages and dies.. Soon there will be heavier emphasis on Korea and Vietnam ... with hopefully rememberances of WWII and WWI still.

I don't think Korea and Vietnam will ever take the spotlight, as Korea isn't really over its still a stalemate with no true victor, and it won't be anything else until the country finally unifies again. While Vietnam the bad guys one, and is not as 'glorious'. While WW2 and WW1 were terrible wars that encompased the entire world, with many countries remembering the same pains and losses.

And last, please stop it with the Muslims, thats not what this thread is about. Its about remembering and honoring those lost.

[Mysthalin]

I'd say the good guys won in Vietnam .

[Spartan_Marine88]

I'd say the good guys won in Vietnam .

Well, they did kick the Frenches ass, so guess that counts for something

[Smokaz]

Unlike other species known to man itself, man has ambition. Most humans do not recognize a state of bliss, a state of satisfied need (no need) as a naturally ideal state. Animals whether or not guided by concious effort or by primitive instincts most likened to basic rules seek this state. They do not overproduce, overconsume. Man has amibition, the ability to perceive a path of excess as something wanted. Citizens value themselves by their numbers, their money, their experience with the other sex, their fame and recognition. They wish to be more than their peers. But all of these are short-sighted and subjective values. There's no evidence towards the greater meaning for you individually other than your existence on earth. So to fill this void, this inability for most of us to be happy with a naturally non-threatened and satisfied state, people look for things to fill it. Whether it is to accomplish great feats, to excel in the human worth statistics (money, looks, sex etc) or to feed their own constructed desires (murder, poetry, music) it's all paths of extreme behaviour and response.

To me the ideal state is the state of no worry, some scientific study show that above a certain point, money for instance does not make you more happy. Sure we can all imagine ourselves bathing in the experiences that excessive money availability would give us. But to what end? It would make you more and more tolerant to unreasonably much resources allocated to your happiness, and increase your own desires.

Psychology study has a long tradition of debate related to this within the subject of "needs" and motivations. I'm sure plently of younger and older persons here have heard or read about the Maslow Pyramid. While hopelessily outdated at this point, the question I feel it still poses is at what point do you have enough without being stale?

[Spartan_Marine88]

To respond to Smokaz, the point which you feel is enough is different to each and every person. While we may accomplish this, there are some of us who do not have the capability to recognize they have everything they need, and usually continue to acquire more and more while not understanding why he feels less and less secure.

[Smokaz]

To me that reduces human control of his own conciousness. If you are affected to such a degree that there a real and significant differences, the idea of absolute control over your actions is weakened in my eyes.

[Spartan_Marine88]

To me that reduces human control of his own conciousness. If you are affected to such a degree that there a real and significant differences, the idea of absolute control over your actions is weakened in my eyes.

Even music can inspire various emotions in a person. Its really not that hard to manipulate someone in small measures. While you can make decisions based on situations and circumstances, others can alter and change your view on those situations, thus affecting your actions.

[Nevyen]

I don't think here in Australia at any rate that WW1 will lose significance, there is a strong culture as far as ANZAC  are concerned, there always a massive pilgrimage to historic ww1 war graves and battles and we dedicate certain sporting days to remembrance as well.   

[TheLastArmada]

I don't think here in Australia at any rate that WW1 will lose significance, there is a strong culture as far as ANZAC  are concerned, there always a massive pilgrimage to historic ww1 war graves and battles and we dedicate certain sporting days to remembrance as well.   

+1

WW1 + WW2 effectivly shaped our nation

[brn4meplz]

Yours and mine both

[Kaleunt]

Well, they did kick the Frenches ass, so guess that counts for something

and

And last, please stop it with the Muslims, thats not what this thread is about. Its about remembering and honoring those lost.

Well Spartan, that's the best way to show how you can contradict yourself....asking to stop about the Muslims and bashing the French two posts later...
Moreover, the French were not kicked during Vietnam war, but during Indochina one. Those two wars are different though linked from a geopolitical aspect, with the same result : western troops (if considering the Aussies as Western) were kicked, despite (especially during Vietnam) the huge number of troops and assets deployed there.....

When remembering veterans, please don't make any differences...all those guys, wherever they came from and whatever the issue was, fought bravely, and sacrifice their life sometimes for an ideology / policy they even didn't agree with...

[Malevolence]

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots 
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud 
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest 
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

[Nevyen]

and

" western troops (if considering the Aussies as Western) were kicked, despite (especially during Vietnam) the huge number of troops and assets deployed there....."

Just to Clarify the Aussies where never "Kicked" political will failed, but in all the battle honours recorded in the Vietnam period

From Long tan to The Battle of Binh Bah, there was no engagement where Australian forces where defeated in combat.

The war was lost but there are allot of Vets including some family friends of mine who would never admit to military defeat.

Bit of Aussie pride I guess, but the Australian Military records speaks for itself I guess.