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[EliteGren]

Well what the hell are you gonna do about it, you gonna check his maps for stamps everytime he makes one? Just let people create maps and be done with it, they are either good enough or they are not.

[Killer344]

If it's a map made by Relic it doesn't matter.

[deadbolt]

How can you say a map like salentein castle is faceless? It is based directly on a real location in holland.
Vieux port: Original map featuring big cheateux, city, airport, hangar, industrial area and canals.
the dike: realistic and kinda original look, a bit more basic layout after fags like you kept whining about my original maps. that is also the reason why bergen was made.

You dont fucking get it do you? RTC2 was a joke, The community spoke about it a long time before i started with it and everybody knew unkown was the original creator.

when i first started mapping you started off my trolling saying how random my objects were, viex port = cheateux, city, airport, hangar, industrial area canals and farms = hypocrite much @ randomness? RTC2 is still a stamp, maybe my maps are jokes? vcoh maps have been played long before this map so everyone will know the features of vcoh maps. the dike = farms + town in centre, bergen = farms and town in centre, see what i mean about originality, i could easily make a map with farms and town in centre and it would be played more because i know more about balance than you ever will and i know how maps can be played to make them functional. btw i dont really care for your opinion i just liek to troll fags like you cos it makes myself lol along with everyone else. l2map and stop stamping unknowns maps, kthxbye.

Well what the hell are you gonna do about it, you gonna check his maps for stamps everytime he makes one? Just let people create maps and be done with it, they are either good enough or they are not.

thxzor.

[LeoPhone]

Well what the hell are you gonna do about it, you gonna check his maps for stamps everytime he makes one? Just let people create maps and be done with it, they are either good enough or they are not.

I just noticed it and realized others should know since deadbolt didnt make it.

If it's a map made by Relic it doesn't matter.

It is not about the relic mappers not getting credit, it is about deadbolt getting credit for something he didnt do.

when i first started mapping you started off my trolling saying how random my objects were, viex port = cheateux, city, airport, hangar, industrial area canals and farms = hypocrite much @ randomness? RTC2 is still a stamp, maybe my maps are jokes? vcoh maps have been played long before this map so everyone will know the features of vcoh maps. the dike = farms + town in centre, bergen = farms and town in centre, see what i mean about originality, i could easily make a map with farms and town in centre and it would be played more because i know more about balance than you ever will and i know how maps can be played to make them functional. btw i dont really care for your opinion i just liek to troll fags like you cos it makes myself lol along with everyone else. l2map and stop stamping unknowns maps, kthxbye.


thxzor.

vieux port has clear roads and straight streets trough the city. "Your" first map, hinderdam was an area filled with buildings placed at random locations. not one building touches another one.
Ignoring the comment on rtc2 since it doesnt make sense.
Again, I made the dike and bergen the way they are because the community asked for it. Bergen takes it to the extreme (even though there is still a forest).
Saying you are awesome and I am not is your opinion. you provide no actual proof of this so keep it to yourself.

[tank130]

No killer, If someone is showing work that isnt his own but is pretending it is people should be notified of this.

I have never made a map, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
All of the objects in the world builder were created by someone else. You or any other map creator are just using premade parts in different orders to create what you may call an original map.

Deadbolt allegedly has used groupings of premade objects to create his maps. I really see no difference in what you are doing other than one is much more productive than another.

The end result is a new creation.

I have no love for Deadbolt, I find him very rude and obnoxious. But he is spending his time creating something rather than bitching about someone else's work.

A map that is fun to play is the most important thing. How you get that done is really irrelevant....
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[LeoPhone]

I have never made a map, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
All of the objects in the world builder were created by someone else. You or any other map creator are just using premade parts in different orders to create what you may call an original map.

Deadbolt allegedly has used groupings of premade objects to create his maps. I really see no difference in what you are doing other than one is much more productive than another.

The end result is a new creation.

I have no love for Deadbolt, I find him very rude and obnoxious. But he is spending his time creating something rather than bitching about someone else's work.

A map that is fun to play is the most important thing. How you get that done is really irrelevant....
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Well yeah, but that is really taking it to the extreme. If you look at it like that it would be impossible to make a painting since you arent the inventor of paint. It is just a rearrangement of paint anyways.

People take the objects(paint) for granted(note that the artists who made that are also clearly shown in the CoH credit screen, no edits have been made on their work). but if they look at the map they will think the mapper actually placed all those objects there himself.

[Unkn0wn]

Sure, much more credit and respect to someone who actually made a map to scratch.
But I think the majority of people here are already happy we get a new good quality map once in a while, regardless of where it came from :p

[Heartmann]

Actually i dont give a flying fart if its made from scratch or not tbfh, and why is it so important to de-credit dead??? What is it? did he spank your mom to hard i mean really leo?? Getting back at him for old time sake? There is no CONSTRUCTIVE POINT to this, please dump this shit in his inbox instead of her please? I have no interest in reading it and getting irritated in the morning or afternoon when i got time to check forums aint nothing i like to do.

BUT to be clear i do think you are a talented mapper Leo and you should get props for giving upp time for constructing something, as Dead is getting, I liked his map, some things needed work imho, but other than that it was a good map.

Can we please leave this now?

[Spartan_Marine88]

vieux port has clear roads and straight streets trough the city. "Your" first map, hinderdam was an area filled with buildings placed at random locations. not one building touches another one.
Ignoring the comment on rtc2 since it doesnt make sense.
Again, I made the dike and bergen the way they are because the community asked for it. Bergen takes it to the extreme (even though there is still a forest).
Saying you are awesome and I am not is your opinion. you provide no actual proof of this so keep it to yourself.

tbfh Vieux Port is one of my favourite maps, i love the feel of it.

[deadbolt]

Update:

-added loading screen
-fixed some pathing and blocking issues
-added some more cover

http://www.filefront.com/17589982/betamap.sga

[deadbolt]

its ready for launcher mkay

[Smokaz]

cant wait for this map! gg keeps!

[Unkn0wn]

Throwing it in autoupdater.

Edit: now in, run your autoupdaters.

[101stGG]

Cant wait to play this map, it's awesome!