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[kainhall]

well, first thing is i have not confirmed this. its mroe of a theroy becaue its happened a bit, but not a lot.
and i cant spell so jsut ask if you cnat figure it out. and im dislitcic so.... again ask

1. marder 3 is the main battle tank of the PE, but in real life its was a tank hunter. thsi means it had few to no HE rounds. but my rangers and rifles fall to it like flys to a fly swater. it should have hte splash dammage removed and a HE round upgrade added that gives it back. 

2. they out shoot everything including my 57mm at guns. thats jsut bull. the dissadvantegs of a AT gun are so many im not going ot list them. the only thing a at guns does it take out tanks at distance. but when a marder outs shoots my at gun what cna i do? NOTHING on both sides should be able to out shoot an AT gun 57mm or pak 40. fix- reduce range to at gun gets atlest a shot off before it shoots at it.

3. lock down makes them hard to kill. i have heard of people circle strafing with m10s but gettign that clsoe is a pain in my arse becasue tehy fire like a 40mm bofors AKA fast for a AT gun. fix- the lock down ability should be a upgrade that costs some munition. i would say not under 30 and not over 90. so like 70 munitions.


anyway. if their is anythign you see that is jsut my fault or random dumb luck. let me know thnaks

[bbsmith]

Uhh... The Marder has almost no splash damage. It has less splash damage than normal ATGs

[shockcoil]

I think this guy mistook an IST for a marder...

[Spartan_Marine88]

well, first thing is i have not confirmed this. its mroe of a theroy becaue its happened a bit, but not a lot.
and i cant spell so jsut ask if you cnat figure it out. and im dislitcic so.... again ask

1. marder 3 is the main battle tank of the PE, but in real life its was a tank hunter. thsi means it had few to no HE rounds. but my rangers and rifles fall to it like flys to a fly swater. it should have hte splash dammage removed and a HE round upgrade added that gives it back.  

2. they out shoot everything including my 57mm at guns. thats jsut bull. the dissadvantegs of a AT gun are so many im not going ot list them. the only thing a at guns does it take out tanks at distance. but when a marder outs shoots my at gun what cna i do? NOTHING on both sides should be able to out shoot an AT gun 57mm or pak 40. fix- reduce range to at gun gets atlest a shot off before it shoots at it.

3. lock down makes them hard to kill. i have heard of people circle strafing with m10s but gettign that clsoe is a pain in my arse becasue tehy fire like a 40mm bofors AKA fast for a AT gun. fix- the lock down ability should be a upgrade that costs some munition. i would say not under 30 and not over 90. so like 70 munitions.


anyway. if their is anythign you see that is jsut my fault or random dumb luck. let me know thnaks

1. It has no splash, just lockdown gives it good accuracy and will hit inf from time to time.

2. not sure they have better range, just focus fire into the FOW and hope you scatter into atgs

3. Don't use m10's use m8s there fast hard to hit and have dodge. 2 m8s will win every time

I think this guy mistook an IST for a marder...

just re read, your probably right the IST is a P4 variant.

[TheLastArmada]

marders fail vs ATG's
Atgs out snipe marders with higher acc, give your atgs' the sight with some expenable inf and the marder is toast

Again marders have next to no splash , they occasionally will hit a single man in a squad

[Artekas]

You should try looking at the statistics sometime, before making a balance post, because basically none of what you said is true. The Marder has the smallest splash of basically anything in the entire game. It is hard for a Marder to outshoot an ATG except in the luckiest of situations, because both will kill each other in three hits but ATGs have a significantly higher chance of hitting the Marder than it does of hitting them. Marders also fire slower than all ATGs do, even when locked down.

So... all of your theories could have easily been disproven by just checking the stats.

[Smokaz]

Stats are not easy to interpretate when your new to the game.

[Artekas]

I disagree, generally the first thing I do when picking up an RTS is find whatever source for the stats I can and then spend some time reading them. If not all of them, most of them. And always reread the relevant ones before making a big balance thread. There is even a sticky in the forum where this was posted that tells you how to understand stats. In the time it took for him to make his post he could easily have found out that Marder splash is nonexistent, and that the RoF is slower than ATGs. The only thing that might confuse him being a new player is the fact that ATGs will hit a Marder significantly more than it will hit an ATG 'cause of how scatter works, which is not represented in simple accuracy stats.

[smurfORnot]

at guns seem to hit infantry more often than marader...every now and then I see my marader with 1 inf kill,but regulary I see my inf killed by 57/6pdr...

[kainhall]

sigh.......thsi is why i said if you see anything that i messed up then tell me.
the first posts were nice. the m8's and all.

then i jsut got into a one little 2 little 3 little trolls. mabey thsi si why we dont have a big community.

and a link to teh stats would be nice please. i dod not know that exested. thanks trolls

[Unkn0wn]

If you have nothing to add, don't post. Even if you may be right that this balance thread holds very little truth, still doesn't mean you get the right to troll it. Thread cleaned.

[EliteGren]

As said Marder has next to no splash damage, and when its firing on yoru atg you turn it into the direction, they have the same range.

[Killer344]

and a link to teh stats would be nice please. i dod not know that exested. thanks trolls

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=14995.0

[kainhall]

thanks mod.

ya, i played a game right after i made this post (the one i made few hours before this won was in school----shity sonicwall blocker!!!! had no time) so. i killed 2 at half tracks and 3 marders with 3 m10's

then came 3 panthers and we got repaed becaue i called in 2 AT guns and only one came...........

still seems like germany gets some good crap and lsot of it. 3 or 4 panthers is a little mutch! but i dont care, at gusn own them.


again, a link to the stats sheat would be nice! thanks

[LeoPhone]

killer344 just gave you the link.

[8thRifleRegiment]

kainhail. i totally disagre with you, number one reason, marder are weak as shit. 3 atg shots and its down, about 60% of the time my marders miss hiting atgs and the atgs get em first, on top of that, once a tank reaches a certain range it can easily circle strafe it, and the marder is done becuase it turns soo slowly. its not OP at all

[Demon767]

Im so glad you guys added in the 50mm

[SX23]

Read his post, he mistook an IST for a marder.

[Illegal_Carrot]

Read his post, he mistook an IST for a marder.

But what he's describing sure sounds like a Marder.. How are 2 M10s taken out by a single IST, and hw does it 'out shoot' an ATG?

Unless he's had bad experiences with both a Marder and an IST and is somehow combining the two in his mind.

[SX23]

1. marder 3 is the main battle tank of the PE, but in real life its was a tank hunter. thsi means it had few to no HE rounds. but my rangers and rifles fall to it like flys to a fly swater.

3. lock down makes them hard to kill. i have heard of people circle strafing with m10s but gettign that clsoe is a pain in my arse becasue tehy fire like a 40mm bofors AKA fast for a AT gun.

Does that sound like a marder to you?