11on2d6
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« on: December 08, 2010, 05:33:38 am » |
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How is it different from the Pak? how does it compare in damage compared to the american 57 or the PE marder? I looked for a description of this unit, but i couldnt find one  |
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bbsmith
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 05:39:45 am » |
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Its sort of like a 17 pounder, but does AP round 57 Damage.
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| 11on2d6
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 06:27:37 am » |
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ap rounds is +20% damage right and a 57 does 150 regular damage? so its 180 damage?
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| EliteGren
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 06:29:50 am » |
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It has 187 base damage.
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| 11on2d6
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 06:34:42 am » |
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thanks....that sounds....very high lol....
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Illegal_Carrot
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2010, 06:35:32 am » |
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It has a much lower rat of fire.
What is its exact reload/cooldown/windup/etc time anyways?
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| 11on2d6
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2010, 07:32:37 am » |
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yea good point carrot, I might do a dps comparison between the pak38, pak40 and the 57...should be interesting.
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2010, 07:55:24 am » |
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The Pak40 almost can't fail to penetrate anything, the Pak 38 has a very high chance to fail to penetrate larger units like Churchills and Pershings/jumbo's.
You don't see too many pershings right now because Royal Engineers isn't in place. I run 2 Pak40's right now and I love them. Looking into boosting the speed of them though, 2.5 is just a little too painful
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| 11on2d6
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 08:17:30 am » |
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do the fire slower than a 57 or the same as?
cause if I remember off the top of my head, 187 damage isnt far off a bloody 88...which is 220 I think :s.............
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 08:29:16 am » |
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dps of pak 40 is lower than pak 38 iirc
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2010, 08:33:57 am » |
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DPS of pak40 is 1 percent higher than that of the pak38, assuming no cloak-fire from the pak38. But it penetrates better, and is better vs greyhounds.
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Killer344
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2010, 09:39:42 am » |
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do the fire slower than a 57 or the same as?
cause if I remember off the top of my head, 187 damage isnt far off a bloody 88...which is 220 I think :s.............
pak40 + vet 3 = 224 damage pak40 + vet 3 + officer = around 270 damage IIRC. |
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| NightRain
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2010, 10:03:03 am » |
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You need a Senior OFficer to do that? A tier 3 unlock?
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2010, 10:26:48 am » |
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dps of pak 40 is lower than pak 38 iirc
meh yeah but if you really need to take out a target, it will. |
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| Spartan_Marine88
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2010, 11:22:42 am » |
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yea good point carrot, I might do a dps comparison between the pak38, pak40 and the 57...should be interesting.
DPS is pointless on atgs unless your enemy sits right infront of the thing. Most atgs get 1 shot on a vehicle before its either been pulled back or flanks your atg. |
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2010, 11:24:10 am » |
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The pak 40 is Godly if you choose the tier4 that gives it the ability to cloak. Range doesn't matter if the enemy doesn't even know it's there and a sherman is NOT going to want to have a pak40 say "peekaboo!"
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Illegal_Carrot
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2010, 11:39:35 am » |
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DPS is pointless on atgs unless your enemy sits right infront of the thing. Most atgs get 1 shot on a vehicle before its either been pulled back or flanks your atg.
In which case I'd still take the PaK38, due to the huge accuracy increase on the ambush shot. DPS of pak40 is 1 percent higher than that of the pak38, assuming no cloak-fire from the pak38. But it penetrates better, and is better vs greyhounds.
So, taking Cloak into account (because it will be a factor 99% of the time), the 38 has a higher DPS, as well? |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2010, 11:45:00 am » |
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Depending on how many cloakshots/total shots you assume the pak38 gets.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2010, 12:12:12 pm » |
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but remember it 2 shots m8s, t17s and almost 1 shots halftracks pak 38 needs 3 shots so pak 40 is 50% more effective. |
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Groundfire
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2010, 12:26:07 pm » |
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IMO, since the first shot of an ATG in an engagement is what matters, I find the extra damage is far more useful than sustained DPS benefit that the Pak38 has.
Generally, the Pak40 will make any allied tank reverse on the first shot because they simply cannot take the punishment or risk taking a second shot. You do not have this deterrent with the 38, churchills, pershings, Jumbos, they will gladly close the distance to eliminate that pak, as such they will not usually engage in a firefight long enough to make the DPS advantage of the Pak38 useful.
again, imo.
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