[Axis] Faust price

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[nugnugx]

yes,cuz only if u have 1000+ posts that means that you know what you are talking about...facepalm

jugdging by what -1000 posts players write , 90% they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about in terms of balance.

We have examples in this thread, i'm not naming, those who have idea of balance will figure it out by themselves.

[Unkn0wn]

Nugnugx stop acting like an elitist.
Removed irrelevant facepalm image.

[nugnugx]

Just stating the facts.

90% in this topic is offtopic rubbish talk from people who cannot understand basic eir principles, why having a full 1 unit AT AI company on a platform that can do alot is a efficient spam that does not require one to buy alternative AT weapons like shreck or pak which is clearly broken.

Playing as wehr you basicaly can win with 2 type of units thanks to 30mu faust.

[smurfORnot]

and those are, volks and?

[spinn72]

Just stating the facts.

90% in this topic is offtopic rubbish talk from people who cannot understand basic eir principles, why having a full 1 unit AT AI company on a platform that can do alot is a efficient spam that does not require one to buy alternative AT weapons like shreck or pak which is clearly broken.

Playing as wehr you basicaly can win with 2 type of units thanks to 30mu faust.

Basically, to everyone, it sounds like you run your tanks into volks then complain because they do damage to it. Fausts are balanced, they are so easy to counter and have average range, and it goes both ways too, you don't rush your axis armour into rifle squads out of fear of stickies much like you don't rush your allied armour into volks.

If you're talking about a platform that has AI and AT capabilities, why don't we nerf riflemen while we're at it? They get zooks (doctrinal, i know), vehicle immobilizers, bars (infantry immobilizers) and grenades. Volks seem like ants in comparison.

[DarkSoldierX]

I say here, that volks SHOULD get a 5 mun price increase, but fallschimjaegers arnt.

The volksquad is a much better AT platform than a fallschimjaeger unit.

*BOOM* Oh no two volks died! Oh well he was nothing!

*BOOM* Fuck! A FG42/Riflenade! Godamn! Why did I try to chase that tank with my *elite* infantry!

[Mysthalin]

Fausts are in no way comparable to Paks. And a 120 ammo is 3 fausts not 8

Volks pay 30 munitions per panzerfaust upgrade. Panzerfaust upgrade gives 2 fausts.

120/3 = 4

4*2 = 8.

You have two volleys of 4 fausts each. Please don't argue with me on something as basic as this - I don't have Duke Von Volk as my title because I spam grenadiers.

A faust does miniscule damage on a tank

Faust deals 100-137.5 damage. I will most hapilly hear your explanation how this translates to being "miniscule".

ok,have faust's as main at force,see what happens when pershing comes

http://www.filefront.com/17736829/SmoIce.rar

This is what happens. Enjoy the vid.


My own personal opinion of panzerfausts is that yes - they are too cheap. But at the same time, they are simply too short ranged to cost anything more than they do right now - as Unknown has said : either they're too cheap and spammed, or they're too expensive and ignored. Perhaps an overhaul of making the panzerfaust 40 range with treadbreaker slow, but costing 60-80 munitions could be the best way to work around this?

[smurfORnot]

This is what happens. Enjoy the vid.

yeah,sync happens :p
patch up...

[Mysthalin]

Essentially the video features icelandic getting destroyed by 5 volks squad, smokie sending in pershing to help him out, then running away with said pershing after getting hit by the first volley of fausts from the volks, killing a grand total of 2 squads before it couldn't cope with the fight any more.

[Smokaz]

Cheese! I was using bugged 1 shot every 20 seconds repaiiring pershing.. ofc it was impossible to fight infantry

[Unkn0wn]

I doubt it's anything near 20 seconds, but it's quite a drastic reload nerf yes.

[Baine]

Who needs a Faust if you can get a bazooka!

[Tymathee]

i'd rather have a faust over a bazooka! at least fausts penetrate tanks lol

[Heartmann]

Lol
RAther have zook tbfh.

The zook is a constant danger
The faust is only there for 2 uses.

[Mysthalin]

1 bazooka is not a danger to anything that's heavier than an IHT...

Fausts are a danger to everything - starting with pershings, going to MGs and ATGs and finishing with officers that can get lulzgibbened.

Cheese! I was using bugged 1 shot every 20 seconds repaiiring pershing.. ofc it was impossible to fight infantry

Your pershing only started repairs once it was a safe 2 screens away from any volksgrenadiers. Which I was perfectly content with as I could bring out 88 ^^.

[Baine]

I forgot to mention i was saying that as a hint to an upcoming movie of mine.

[Heartmann]

Yea Myst this is true, but that dont change my argument, That faust are temp, while the zook is constant

[Mysthalin]

To all extents and purposes a faust is a permanent danger - as a volksgrenadier squad will rarely survive beyond the point of firing off 2(or 3 with vet 2) fausts.

Furthermore - it's a perfectly concealed danger that the enemy can only speculate about. In some cases - the fear of getting fausted will cause an enemy to play your game when there actually is no such danger. The enemy can clearly see the bazookas and act accordingly from the get go. Not to mention that the bazooka is shit ;P.

[Heartmann]

On the other hand, since its a visible danger there is no risk and as a result no gamble! you know exactly what you are facing, where the unknown gives way to risk and chance. WHICH is the entire game of EiR taking a calculated risk When i hav tanks i always play as if ALL inf have sticky and beyond FoW there is atg and mgs, that way you can be prepared if there really are any and if not then you have bonus buffer in case they pop upp.

TAKING PRECAUTIONS.

[nugnugx]

just had 3 games and every wehr player is spamming now volks with faust and mp40 and/or assault nades.
Volk swarm is overwhelming everyone, it's raping tanks lvs and then proceeds to kill support weapons and inf.