[PE] PzGren Changes

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[Tymathee]

^ Covering fire? allies know what it feels like.

oh and mg42's. and stugs, dual lmg's, iht hmg, wehr ht hmg, there are plenty of suppression options for axis, much more than allies have. All that i mentioned except the dual lmg suppress better or similar to the .30 cal and better for sure than the vickers.

quit acting like cuz of bar suppression allies have a monopoly on suppression when wehr and pe have much better options overall for suppression. Oh and pe's luft and SE get mobile machine guns, heck SE gets a 4man mg42 ffs. I played against someone with 4 of those at vet 2, how many people have more than 1 vet 2 any type of hmg?

if anything, suppression fire evens the stage for the allies against axis infantry (which generally have more hp and generally more fire power on their infantry than allies)

how much would a cooldown change be? right now its .75/1.0/1.25 change it to .75/.75/1.0 and lower the scatter angle to that of a rifle, not an lmg (5/15 instead of 10/15) and lower the moving cooldown from 1.5 to 1.0

so it still has a very good reload and cooldown but you dont get penalized for having them with the scatter angle and not really being able to fire on the move.

[nugnugx]

Tym to the rescue ! 

[BigDick]

tym feels a "WTF is going on im getting PWND by my own balance biasness" incomming

and hey when PE have so many better suppression options available as the bar as u said tym im pretty sure nobody will use the bars and get something else instead trololololo

[nugnugx]

and hey when PE have so many better suppression options available as the bar as u said tym im pretty sure nobody will use the bars and get something else instead

Problem, Tym?

:/D

[Demon767]

hahaha

[Mysthalin]

I still like it when peopl think buffing the G43s scatter angle would actually have any bearing on what happens in the game lol.

It would change effective long range accuracy from 45.9% to 47.7% - if even that(I am not sure how scatter ratio plays into this, so I'm just looking at scatter angle calculations. In reality it's probably something more like 45.5% changing to 46.2%)
A change so miniscule it's not even worth talking about.

[Tymathee]

tym feels a "WTF is going on im getting PWND by my own balance biasness" incomming

and hey when PE have so many better suppression options available as the bar as u said tym im pretty sure nobody will use the bars and get something else instead trololololo

i didn't finish my reply when nugz replied so w/e dude. sorry if i dont take either you or nugx seriously since you both play PE and play very spammy companies which a g43 and/or pz gren buff would clearly benefit

[bayarea510]

They wouldn't have to spam them if they didn't have to suck so bad.

[Tymathee]

They wouldn't have to spam them if they didn't have to suck so bad.

they spammed them before the changes.

[lionel23]

As both an axis and allied player, I think the change to PzGren armor was a bad nerf.  I mean I know I can walk up to them with SMGs and floor them much easier and faster than say any soldier in a Wehr army, easy for focus firing.. and apparently their armor being so 'bad' that I was told the reason to fix the so called 'bug' of one SMG in a bazooka ranger squad was so it didn't rape the new PzGrens too bad... I mean really, that's just terrible.

Never will use the new ones now with the changes, which is good considering my Luft company avoids them like the plague now XD

[nugnugx]

i didn't finish my reply when nugz replied so w/e dude

wut ?

08:12:50 am


08:18:30 am



So you purposely say g43s are good just becase me or Bigdick play PE? and that's why they should suck?  Nice to know that we are such celebrities of EIR and balancing is going on to what we play, nvm that it sux and other PE players don't use it. Keep it nerfed because Nugz or Bigdick or PEplayer12 would use it when it would be usefull.

Tym you're a bad troll , with your every post your troll argument gets destroyed by someone but you keep coming back with this hilarious trolling that fails every time, people see it. Some just don't give a flying fuck to replying to you.

And how is having pgrens spammy if they are my only option as main infantry because i don't have other choices to buy

[lionel23]

They got the volks via the faust nerf! XD Heh, agreed though, it's like complaining about riflemen being spammed.. I mean that's the idea behind main line infantry... cheap, by the numbers as opposed to say a small compliment of elite infantry (ie KCH or flame grens), ya know.

[Mysthalin]

As both an axis and allied player, I think the change to PzGren armor was a bad nerf.  I mean I know I can walk up to them with SMGs and floor them much easier and faster than say any soldier in a Wehr army, easy for focus firing.. and apparently their armor being so 'bad' that I was told the reason to fix the so called 'bug' of one SMG in a bazooka ranger squad was so it didn't rape the new PzGrens too bad... I mean really, that's just terrible.

If by that you meant that they get floored in the exact same time period as Grenadiers then yes.
The bug is being fixed because it is a bug. Do not misconstrue what has been told on the issue to try and get your way on a completely unrelated issue.

[nugnugx]

Do not misconstrue what has been told on the issue to try and get your way on a completely unrelated issue.

Isn't this what you always do Myst ?  It's your trademark tbh

[Mysthalin]

I'm more subtle about it .

[nugnugx]

rofl

[kwiatekkek]

SE gets a 4man mg42 ffs. I played against someone with 4 of those at vet 2, how many people have more than 1 vet 2 any type of hmg?

like a boss..
 

[lionel23]

beast!

[BigDick]

they spammed them before the changes.

i spamed pgrens? what is spam for you? Arnt pgrens the main infantry of PE like riflemen or tommies? i had most time 8 pgrens (not not even much more then an average us company field ATGuns) and some assaults that is spam for you?
how many squads im supposed to have 4?

after getting enough AT i have maybe fuel for 2 vehicles left
what are my options to build my army?

if being luft:

falls
otherwise pgrens, assault (flammen) grens tankbuster


my observations of panzerelite (tried many different SE builds in the last days):

1. u will run out of AT very quick if ur not fielding an insane amount of 50mm HTs and marders because of ATGuns, handheld at and vehicles ur facing
2. if 1. happens u get smashed by tanks and vehicles
3. because of 1 you have not much fuel to field vehicles by yourself except as AT
4. because of 3. u need to rely onto infantry as AI (except you do hardcorespam of P4 IST +50mm HT)
5. if your not Luftwaffe or has SE T3 assault flammens available your infantry consists of expensive assaultgrens without healing or pgrens that are like grens without medkits and without dealing noticeable damage
6. your infantry will be pgrens
7. because of 6. and the fact that there is no viable AI upgrade like bar/bren/lmg42/fg42 etc. available your infantry will suck

conclusion your company sucks

[lionel23]

Predicting future reply from Tym... dirty spammer.. I think that's it!

I concur with you BigDick on this one, and if anyone has a problem with PzGren 'spam', they don't know how to field a real army using them as your basic filler trooper (riflemen for US, Tommys in UK, etc).

Anyway, they still need their gun upgraded to justify their increase cost.. a mainline infantry like grens but with no hitting power.. and guys who are more expensive than KCH without the health/armor class to dish it...