Demon767
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2011, 05:50:02 pm » |
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Try it PQ. cant believe how many times you can penetrate a panther frontal armor with a m18
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AmPM
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2011, 05:51:10 pm » |
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I find the M18 to be perfectly fine, it can and will kill anything upto a Panther, and if it gets the ambush, it can do a lot of damage to the Panther without having to fight a prolonged battle.
Vs Lighter armor and vehicles it's amazing.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2011, 06:09:27 pm » |
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I've killed a Hetzer with an M18, so I don't think a buff is necessary  |
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2011, 06:12:27 pm » |
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I find the M18 to be perfectly fine, it can and will kill anything upto a Panther, and if it gets the ambush, it can do a lot of damage to the Panther without having to fight a prolonged battle.
Vs Lighter armor and vehicles it's amazing.
Can also kill a panther retreating to repair |
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2011, 06:14:48 pm » |
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HE round Hellcats are epic. You can field so many and still have fuel left over for m8's. One of the best armour company builds!
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2011, 01:48:43 am » |
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They do? I would personally never call on an M18 to fight a panther...
Killed a Panther with a Vet 1 Hellcat/M18-whatever in a game not so long ago. Killed a Stug right after(M18 got destroyed before I could get it off-map though  . ATG's or something) Granted it had the support of an friendly ATG and M10 (M10 died before it could really do anything, and ATG was outside max range) but it took the finishing blow (then danced around the Stug and a Marder for a while. Hillarious  ) |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2011, 01:59:56 am » |
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i like Hellcats but those relic changes would make me love them but it would still lack the punch of the m-10 but it would be able to do more. i think it has lower pen than a 75mm sherman
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Demon767
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2011, 02:03:24 am » |
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i like Hellcats but those relic changes would make me love them but it would still lack the punch of the m-10 but it would be able to do more. i think it has lower pen than a 75mm sherman
i find that hard to believe but id like to know the actual penetration stats. has to be better then or equivalent to a 76mm sherman. it penetrates Panther fronts reliably. You just dont put your bets on it because M18 gets countered by range and HP |
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2011, 02:07:15 am » |
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Remember a fact guys.
M10 Sight Range 35 Max Range 45
M18 Sight Range 46 Max Range 45
Which one can kite tanks better?
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Demon767
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2011, 02:09:36 am » |
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Neither its an Illussssion!! woohohohohoho
actually those stats on the m18 are really nice
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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2011, 03:45:18 am » |
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The hellcat should be a better and more expensive version of m10 so it can have a different role than just being a half-useless defensive unit. Dual m10s is just so much more effective.
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Demon767
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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2011, 03:57:50 am » |
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M18+ATG more effective defensively and less pop |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2011, 08:27:06 am » |
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i find that hard to believe but id like to know the actual penetration stats.
has to be better then or equivalent to a 76mm sherman. it penetrates Panther fronts reliably. You just dont put your bets on it because M18 gets countered by range and HP
Actually, the M18 will be getting a significant increase to its speed in vcoh with the upcoming patch. As someone who has used this unit extensively, I can say that their are significant issues with it. In my mind, for 25 more fuel you get a faster and better AT gun with the M10 over the M18. The ambush bonuses have been reduced and hence are no where near as good as they used to be.
From the beta logs, they are planning to increase its penetration, speed, deceleration, and acceleration. With a price increase, I think this would make a less useful unit useful within the EIR environment.
Here is a quick overview of beta changes to Hellcat:
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Hellcat maximum speed increased from 6.0 to 7.2, acceleration increased from 1.5 to 2.0, and deceleration increased from 3.8 to 4.4
Hellcat's target tables have changed to match the M10 Tank Destroyer's
Hellcat penetration at short range increased from .65 to .75, medium range from 0.55 to 0.69, and long range from 0.4 to 0.63
Hellcat's Ambush bonus penetration modifier reduced from 5.0 to 1.5. Damage modifier reduced from 2.0 to 1.5
Hellcat's level 2 veterancy bonus changed from a 15% range increase to a 50% penetration increase
http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_75mm_Sherman.htmlhttp://picly.us/coh/Weapon_76mm_Sherman.htmlhttp://picly.us/coh/Weapon_76mm_Hellcat.html |
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Demon767
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2011, 08:36:20 am » |
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 :OOOOOOOOO wow ive been having extremely lucky rolls |
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2011, 09:18:17 am » |
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Pen versus the panther is the following:
Long: 0.4 x 0.4 = 16%
Medium: 0.55 x 0.4 = 22%
Short: 0.65 x 0.4 = 26%
Its sure is reliable at killing a Panther from the front! Gosh...
It has a negative penetration modifier against most tanks except the Panzer 4 which has a pen modifier of 1.09 so a 9% increase...which is barely anything.
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2011, 09:23:24 am » |
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well i personaly would not say that it is that good against any tank(exept hetzers and i mean i fear hellcats when i am using hetzers) but with the camo is on it is an exelent scouting unit and can launch some crazy attacks against unsupecting foes by staying in some least moved location and staying there with atleast 2 hellcats and then just bum rush them to death.
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2011, 09:30:23 am » |
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Well there is no real reason to fear it any more than the M10. The M10 still has better pen than the M18 against the hetzer. The M18 does have a pen modifier of 1 so that does make it a far better against it than it is against other tanks.
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2011, 09:46:37 am » |
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hetzer armour is pretty broken vs some units i think. sometimes it has like x10 better armour than the jagdpanther, other times its simply pen. modifier of 1 while others are still normal.
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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2011, 01:07:31 pm » |
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... by staying in some least moved location and staying there with atleast 2 hellcats and then just bum rush them to death.
But you can't sacrifice that much population for the chance that somebody will scoot on by. I thought the arguments were obvious, but thank you to those who broke it down barney style for the doubters. Also, I play 90% axis. |
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2011, 01:40:31 pm » |
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But you can't sacrifice that much population for the chance that somebody will scoot on by.
well i wasnt meaning that you stay at the sides of the map. i was trying to point out when i used hellcats i stayed in little driven areas near roads that alot of tanks drive past and when one is you take a shot and hope it hits. i do it with hetzers and it works like a charm, you might say that hetzers have alot better armor but it has no turret so unless you are on roads aganst m10s you will lose. |
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