How to battle Battle Hardened?!

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[RikiRude]

Battle hardened grens, can't be suppressed by your mg, but even if you do, they use assault. All your support weapons will die to an assault attack, no questions asked. The grens don't seem to take extra damage while assaulting either?

Quad seems to work good against them, but are so fragile. Is bar suppress even an option since grens wreck rifles? I'm armor, and those grens usually keep schreck storms quite close.

super grens + tiger + shreck storms = deadly.

[AmPM]

Assault is the part that is hurting you. Counter that and the rest is just like fighting any other force.

[brn4meplz]

Assault is pretty much for only killing Support teams(ATG's are prime targets) because simply micro on infantry negates Assault.

Most players leave timing windows in their attacks where once you see grenadiers you can pull ATG's back a bit and still have time to setup against Tigers or other tanks.

It's keeping fragile Support teams far enough away from assault and with 60 Rng ATG's thats pretty easy.



Assault! provides defensive modifiers which is why your having issues outright killing squads

[Spartan_Marine88]

Most players leave timing windows in their attacks where once you see grenadiers you can pull ATG's back a bit and still have time to setup against Tigers or other tanks.

The problem is that Assault Grenades are not just negated by good micro, they force you to micro hard while they can focus on another couple of units while you are microing your ass off.

Blitz players using tigers don't use assault grens on your atg either, they use precision strike to one shot the ATG and then just roll through your entire line

[spinn72]

Left click on rifles, right click 50m backwards or sideways, change squad?

Or even better, run into the squad that is using Assault and they'll destroy themselves .

Also, a sniper is your best friend against assault. Reducing mans in squads at long range negates assault, you'll find that more often than not if people are losing men in an assault squad, they'll just rush it in to try to get some use out of it.

Unfortunately with the Battle Hardened build, there aren't too many disadvantages. Obviously spamming grens leads to less support weapons, flamers won't stand a chance in hell against grens and they're the only units that receive buffs from the armour type. Just use the age old BAR suppression + mg or something

[RikiRude]

Ah I like those two ideas spinn haha. Thanks, I'll try this with success hopefully!

[AmPM]

Other option, M10 spam and run them over =)

Force assaulting units to move into your tank to throw their grenades.

[Tymathee]

hmm...i can see the issue where battle hardened + assault would have issues. you already have elite armor (25 % less dmg and acc) and then you add in assault, forget about it, those grens are going to hit their target, you can't kill 'em, practically invulnerable no wonder you see it so much.

[pqumsieh]

defensive buff is .5 rec incoming accuracy and .75 received incoming damage; add that to elite armor and you cannot try and kill the squad.

[BigDick]

holy shit pqumsieh could be tyms biased brother

how can't you kill squads that can't shoot back nor be controlled where to go and what to do?
if you don't blob and expect to own with your blob that assaulting zombie squad is wasted it isn't hard really one klick at spawn (or minimap) of targeted squad and kill the zombie squad with something else

and who ever has problems with elite armor tanks/light vehicles negate the armor

[RikiRude]

holy shit pqumsieh could be tyms biased brother

how can't you kill squads that can't shoot back nor be controlled where to go and what to do?
if you don't blob and expect to own with your blob that assaulting zombie squad is wasted it isn't hard really one klick at spawn (or minimap) of targeted squad and kill the zombie squad with something else

and who ever has problems with elite armor tanks/light vehicles negate the armor

simple, try going up against skaffas, you literally cant kill them with anything short of a .50 or quad or running them over.

[spinn72]

6 shermans and 5 atg's later 
/boast

[pqumsieh]

How am i being biased? I just provided some info regarding the defensive buff they get and made a statement regarding its impact on gameplay. Its funny how fanatic you get bigdick.

[Tymathee]

holy shit pqumsieh could be tyms biased brother

how can't you kill squads that can't shoot back nor be controlled where to go and what to do?
if you don't blob and expect to own with your blob that assaulting zombie squad is wasted it isn't hard really one klick at spawn (or minimap) of targeted squad and kill the zombie squad with something else

and who ever has problems with elite armor tanks/light vehicles negate the armor

i thought you would know this, you show your stupid bias.

elite armor = 25% buff to incoming accuracy and damage
assault buff = 50% buff to incoming accuracy and 25% to damage

so that's a total of 75% buff to incoming accuracy and 50% to damage, so yes, they're practically unkillable once it's popped and you have battle hardened.

so spare me the BS, you spam assault, so you know how good it is, you're just defending your spam tactic.

[panzerman]

lol unkillable... really then should they have 100% inc acc buff and 100% damage buff... they are killable, if u really having that much trouble walk towards them then they throw the nades on themselves lol!

[3rdCondor]

Build a fire company

[BigDick]

i thought you would know this, you show your stupid bias.

elite armor = 25% buff to incoming accuracy and damage
assault buff = 50% buff to incoming accuracy and 25% to damage

so that's a total of 75% buff to incoming accuracy and 50% to damage, so yes, they're practically unkillable once it's popped and you have battle hardened.

so spare me the BS, you spam assault, so you know how good it is, you're just defending your spam tactic.

yo tym get your battle hardened company and pm me when your on
i show you in 1v1 how to battle "battle" hardened lol

i saw  your play as brit your running arround in big blobs with zero infantry micro and response time of a granny
your lost a vet1 squad or why are u mad? 

[Tymathee]

you're funny cuz i dont blob as brits. at most i have 2 inf on the field at once and i may, MAY have 4 if only at the end of the game cuz it's all i've got left. IF u want to include support weapons + infantry as a blob, then yes I do but otherwise stfu u know nothing.

and i never said i had an issue with battled harded, especially with my brits, its more my level 5 american coy that has issues.

plus i just said that the buff you get in assault + Bh makes them hard to kill THATS ALL, did i say it was oP? no, did i say it needed to be changed? no. I said it makes them hard to kill!

gtfo my back you always interject urself into any thread i reply in get an effin life.