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[Demon767]

NO! im not implying that lol thats lame.

no i was just pointing out that the only time i remember anyone saying (fuck you to mod) was you but as you stated, you wrote the wrong words for what you really meant.

but what i wanted to imply is that just incase you thought yourself the golden child, that was some proof of some out of line action, but as you said, its those -kind- of comments that -can- be detrimental to a products success. and aslong as you agreed your own wrong doing, you can then become Sympathetic with the masses.

Tank i think you should just make one long conclusion to your argument cuz you are flip flopping what grounds you are on, from the start you were saying it includes the furom behaviour (trolls) such as Wild Zontar. Now your saying its just we must thank Devs for effort made, even if we dont like it.

Also you say you dont want to name people but, im finding it hard to believe that a majority of the community are saying "Fuck you bob" or "fuck you firesparks" or "fuck you eirrmod". From memory i can only remember 2, but thats what your basing the whole community on. While people say "that patch was shit" It is not directed at those who made it, and always whenever a patch comes out and people bag it out, there is always thread (even when it opens with a rage post) comes with really good constructured critizm. Now while there is a 50/50 Divide on who lieks the patch and who doesnt, it very rarely happens when most of the community hates the patch. and thus anger is warranted to a degree, but this is on rare occasions when the men and women start bagging out the devs.

i believe your exaggerating past events of the Pzgren changes (which i believe it all started) and contrasting it over the whole of the EIRR life.
Maybe you should ask yourself, WHY is it happening Now?, WHAT is different now? and HOW come after all this time, suddenly the community is to blame.

Answering these few queries might fill in the holes in your argument Tank, MIGHT.

[PonySlaystation]

If you did your best efforts to make soup. Then you volunteered at the soup kitchen in your city giving your soup to the homeless. If a number of people receiving your charitable soup responded to you by saying, "your soup sucks" "this soup is bullshit", "what kind of moron makes soup like this", "I have a right to  know what kind of soup you are making before you make it"
Would you be motivated to try new soup next week. I think you might because you are a caring giving dude who really wants to make a great soup and give it to people for free.
Would you still be motivated after 6 months of doing this daily if the same group of people kept telling you it sucked?

Let me take a better example. You're at a restaurant and you order soup but when the waiter shows up with your soup there's a dead bug in it. While waiting for your new soup you are forced to eat the bug-ridden soup to survive. After waiting for a few hours your new soup arrives but there's a bug in it again. The next 200 soups will all have bugs in them so after waiting a few years and only eating bad soup you start to get really pissed off, how do they manage to always mess it up? But then one day the waiter arrives with a bug-free soup. But before you get a chance to taste it the waiter is quick to take it from you because it "needs some adjustments". Would you be happy about this? What if he puts another bug in it?

[SX23]

First of all, despite what some may show in those forums at time of frustration, I think I speak at the name of the whole community when I say that this mod is quite simple an awesome project that have been lead much farther than what we first expected. And for this, I would like to address a sincere thanks to anyone who participated into the creation of this mod, would it be for something as simple as creating a map or encoding RGD's.


Second, please stop this futile argumentation.
Are you all actually trying to defend any rights to protest on this mod?

Not only is this out of the line and pathetic, but it defeats the very purpose of this post and this forum.
Please bear in mind that this mod is the product of good-willed individuals that were willing to invest time and money for your entertainment.
If you're really willing to despise their work, which is already considerably good, while YOU use it at your leisure, feel free to do so. But for god's sake, do it somewhere else than in THEIR very own forum.

[tank130]

First of all, despite what some may show in those forums at time of frustration, I think I speak at the name of the whole community when I say that this mod is quite simple an awesome project that have been lead much farther than what we first expected. And for this, I would like to address a sincere thanks to anyone who participated into the creation of this mod, would it be for something as simple as creating a map or encoding RGD's.


Second, please stop this futile argumentation.
Are you all actually trying to defend any rights to protest on this mod?

Not only is this out of the line and pathetic, but it defeats the very purpose of this post and this forum.
Please bear in mind that this mod is the product of good-willed individuals that were willing to invest time and money for your entertainment.
If you're really willing to despise their work, which is already considerably good, while YOU use it at your leisure, feel free to do so. But for god's sake, do it somewhere else than in THEIR very own forum.

Wow, you mean I'm not the only guy who thinks it's out of line to bash the mod......


Demon: Since you have chosen to make this more of a personal issue between you and I, let me point out a few things.

You are a complete idiot. Nobody has posted that someone said "fuck you mod" , "fuck you Bob", "fuck you Firesparks". No one in this thread has said "fuck you Demon", but I have said you are an idiot. Most people with an IQ larger than their shoe size would recognize that while I did not say "fuck you Demon" I did intentionally insult you.

To clear up my intended message to the community that has somewhat confused our friend Demon:

The consistent bashing of the Mods and developers really needs to stop. It has pushed them to a point that they really are not motivated to proceed with further work on the mod. If you do not believe me, try sending a PM to EiRMoD. If he actually responds to you, I assure you his response will verify what I am telling you. I am not telling you the mod is over and the site is closing. I am telling you that there is no motivation for the developer of this mod to continue building it.

I have put forth a personal plea to the members of the community to stop with the bashing and witch hunts.

I have suggested that we have tighter forum rules and heavier moderation to weed out the excessive insults and pointless off topic posts.

I have pointed out that myself and every other member of this community does not have a "right" to anything in this Mod. Your input is appreciated.

My whole point of this thread was to raise the communities awareness of the negative direction it is going and the impact it is having on the developers.

[AmPM]

First of all, despite what some may show in those forums at time of frustration, I think I speak at the name of the whole community when I say that this mod is quite simple an awesome project that have been lead much farther than what we first expected. And for this, I would like to address a sincere thanks to anyone who participated into the creation of this mod, would it be for something as simple as creating a map or encoding RGD's.


Second, please stop this futile argumentation.
Are you all actually trying to defend any rights to protest on this mod?

Not only is this out of the line and pathetic, but it defeats the very purpose of this post and this forum.
Please bear in mind that this mod is the product of good-willed individuals that were willing to invest time and money for your entertainment.
If you're really willing to despise their work, which is already considerably good, while YOU use it at your leisure, feel free to do so. But for god's sake, do it somewhere else than in THEIR very own forum.

Ummm...the money for the forums/vent etc comes from donations by the community....

[RoyalHants]

Ummm...the money for the forums/vent etc comes from donations by the community....

But time is money 

[roflmao]

Disclaimer: This is just my personal opinion, but I think it is safe to say that the following post accurately reflects the opinion of all us developers. I might be wrong though so don't quote me on this.

All of us devs appreciate constructive criticism. Constructive is the key word though. It's not that we are so sensitive that we can't take some harsh words, quite the contrary. It's just that we don't have time or patience for ill-mannered non-constructive improperly-spelled posts.

Constructive criticism is actually quite encouraging. It shows us that the community cares enough about the mod to spend time writing a well-reasoned post, and we respond positively to these types of posts.

It is the incessant whining, excessive use of images like troll-faces, l33tspeak and brainless posts that we hate. It's akin to spending hours painting your house just to have a group of teenagers come along and draw a huge penis on your wall in 2 minutes. We do not appreciate this and makes us question whether we should be spending time on this mod at all.

[AmPM]

But time is money 

Only if you are going to make money during that time. Time is worthless if you do nothing with it.

[Demon767]

Its become personal between us? i wasnt raising anything personal for a arguement.
I think you should step away from your computer because your becoming your own rage poster in your thread, i made nothing personal but helping you get across to everyone, yet you insult me for helping you, thinking i have something against you. abit hypocritical you reckon.

Instead we get posts like, "wtf airborne sniper is OP. Why the fuck does bob do this. Just another example of people who don't even play the mod making decisions.

I could provide many examples of members personally insulting members of the Dev team.

See if you open your eyes the word "fuck you mod" is a generalisation of the insults that get thrown at the devs. and you even confirmed that when you intentionally insulted me but you didnt use "fuck you demon" because its both the same thing.

So Tank what team are you really on, i was on your side and you thrown your own point at me thinking i was against you. wtf is up?

[SX23]

Please, Demon, Tank, stop arguing on all and nothing.
You're doing precisely what you're condemning.

[spinn72]

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Quote from: tank130 on February 28, 2011, 10:42:17 am
Why did we even redo the fucking doctrines, they were fine as they were. You are just wasting resources on something that was fine. Nobody fucking listen to us.

No seriously, this was a genuine question. If the doctrines weren't completely wiped and redone multiple times this mod could be out of beta and could have achieved a good sense of balance a year or so ago.

[Akranadas]

None of you liked any of the doctrines.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

i liked them 

my opinion is irrelevant anyways

[tank130]

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No seriously, this was a genuine question. If the doctrines weren't completely wiped and redone multiple times this mod could be out of beta and could have achieved a good sense of balance a year or so ago.

You are wrong. I wish you were not, but you are.

[tank130]

Please, Demon, Tank, stop arguing on all and nothing.
You're doing precisely what you're condemning.

You are right. I have let myself get trolled by people who would rather argue the right to insult than back off and show some class when posting.

One developer has posted he is personally sick of the issues. Two other members of the dev team have sent me PM's in thanks. One moderator has also sent me a pm of his support of thread.

Look guys, the bottom line is the dev team is sick of all the crap and really don't feel like working on the mod anymore. Rather than argue with me, why don't you send some encouragement. Please just stop bitching.

[BigDick]

"
No seriously, this was a genuine question. If the doctrines weren't completely wiped and redone multiple times this mod could be out of beta and could have achieved a good sense of balance a year or so ago.

because of this

I too have been in the launcher when no one is there. I don't play much because the mod has become stagnant and incomplete. If the devs start putting up some new content, I will be excited to play again. I think that is true for a lot of people.

people like changes and to try out new stuff
keeps everything interesting even when it means not everything is working or in yet or completely balanced
unfortunately people tend to complain when they got owned by something that may need a look at

[Groundfire]

Actually, probably the best reason for all the doctrine redos is because the community always burns out the Lead RGD coder, forcing us to find a new one, who in order to get productive work out of him, remakes the mod again in his own image, for their own entertainment. (Bob actually did it with balance in mind)

The point of modding is ALWAYS to make it for yourself, as a personal goal or something you would like to that nobody has done before, always, ask Salan... or EIRRMod if you wish.

People doesn't gift free time out of charity to others just because they're nice lolz, that's quite a ingenuous thought.

This is pretty much right. It's a catch22. They never had to listen to anyone, regardless of how much you people screamed about your favorite toys being nerfed.

Letting the community have any say at all was always done as an act of good faith because the developers want other people to share in their creation. Progress always got done when we were autocratic with closed development.

People can complain forever about having their voice heard as if they should matter at all for playing this free game, but at the end of the day, if their input drives away development teams... Well were all shit out of luck for your sin; congratulations.

[Tymathee]

I wish i could learn RGD's i know how to read 'em, have no idea how to edit 'em

[Scotzmen]

most of the info is already there tym. Its just understanding what half the stuff actually means. But most is self explanatory really.

[3rdCondor]

Most of the doctrines are fine... they just need some tweaking. There have already been good suggestions from many people about some neat ideas to balance all doctrines. My only suggestion remains the same: release all at the same time.... even if it takes forever.