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[RikiRude]

When I play WM I almost always play defensive, and I always open with an officer and a mortar, and that mortar always gets to vet two or three with in a few games, then gets killed for some dumb reason or another about 2 games after earning vet 3. Since playing defensive I have been aunable to get my mortar to vet 3... but my airborne company, has a vet 3 AB mortar section, it's been vet 3 for a bunch of games, it's the #1 AB mortar, it has 76 xp atm, more than most mortars on the leader board in general. In conclusion, AB mortars rule!

[deadbolt]

gratz

[Tymathee]

it's because axis mortars are bigger threats than ami mortars because of their range and suppression.
Also the ab mortar has fire up so that helps.

i could never get a wm mortar past vet 2 either.

I think it has to do with this. mainly. allied arty will target an axis mortar and other support weapons,  but axis arty usually targets infantry and atgs.

[Demon767]

1: You blob as allies
2: Axis arty aint effective to zone in on 1 mortar like you can as Allies, its more effective to target a bunch of allied infantry, whether it be support weapons + armed infantry.

[Tymathee]

actually, the only allied arty that's anywhere effective at hitting where u target are Priests, otherwise the 25 and howie have wide scatters and only one or 2 shots out of 6 hit within the area you target, otherwise it's all around, usually axis mortars get gibbed when they try to move and rarely right on target.

the hummel has a really good small scatter radius but has a lower AOE so u have to hit dead on to really damage anything and when it does it's super effective and i saw one take a big chunk out of a Churchill today. Unlike allied arty, the hummel has a really high penetration so while it's not great vs infantry blobs (without flameo), it's great vs everything

[DarkSoldierX]

I thought all arty could pretty much penetrate everything that doesn't have a rec pen modifier....

Hummel now has smiler to the brit arty so IDk about ACC actualy being better other than range being more.

[Tymathee]

I thought all arty could pretty much penetrate everything that doesn't have a rec pen modifier....

Hummel now has smiler to the brit arty so IDk about ACC actualy being better other than range being more.

Nope. You ever seen a howie, priest or 25 pdr shell bounce off a panther, tiger, king tiger?

I've never seen a hummel shot not penetrate a churchill or a pershing.

want stats, here u go.

Howie, 25 pdr & priest dmg, front & rear pen 1.00 base

vs Panther
.75, .517, 3.17

vs Jagdpanther

1.00, 1.00, 1.00 (dont know why its higher)

vs Tiger & King Tiger

.75, .37, 1.02

oh and .918 pen vs Stugs

http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_105mm_Howitzer.html
http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_105mm_Priest_Howitzer.html
http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_25_Pounder_Howitzer.html

Hummel
1.00 (100%) penetration vs all targets
http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_150mm_Hummel_Howitzer.html

damage is lower against panther armor, soldier armor, trench, building, defenses, emplacements, flak and hq.

So, basically if u hit something with a Hummel, there's no bounce, but all allied howitzers can bounce against heavier stuff.

As for the AOE, Hummel is 1 lower than the others. They all have a scatter angle of 5 and Hummel is 7.5

All allied arty have acc of .25, .5, .75 and hummel is all 1.00

also amazingly, the hummel does more damage within it's AOE (.5 vs .3 for allied) even though it's smaller (7 for allied and 6 for hummel)

so basically, if a hummel hits it does a lot of damage.

[Demon767]

Lies, Howie rounds hit the mortar in the first round without fail.