RikiRude
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« on: March 28, 2011, 03:50:04 pm » |
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Why is the gwagon mg 50mu? should it not be 35mu like the m8 since they are both light vehicles? also, can we give this thing heavy crush so it's pathing isn't so awful  and lastly, what are the stats of rapid fire? do you lose accuracy when it's activated? Is there a symbol above the gwagon when it's in use, and finally is it worth the 45mu? |
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 04:17:32 pm » |
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Because its a stug MG.
The question is,
Why is Panther and P4 Mg 50 mu when its obviously nothing close to a stug mg thats 50 mu?
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Tymathee
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 06:41:21 pm » |
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^ because of the strength of the carrying platform, it's why the m-18 is 35. If u want to change that then ist, sherman, pe panther would all need to be 35 as well, pretty much same gun. Then you'd have to consider those that come with free hmgs if there should be a muni cost applied as well because some of them are similar if not better than tank bought hmgs.
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 07:34:00 pm » |
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Well sombody needs to do the DPS of the axis p4/panther top machinegune and the shermy MG.
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Malgoroth
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 07:41:39 pm » |
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Why is the Gwagon 8 pop and the marder only 6 when they're practically the same thing.
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RikiRude
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 07:53:09 pm » |
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Why is the Gwagon 8 pop and the marder only 6 when they're practically the same thing.
plus imo marder is way better because of the lock down. |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 08:42:47 pm » |
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Why is the Gwagon 8 pop and the marder only 6 when they're practically the same thing.
the HMG... Marder = totally useless vs infantry G-Wagon = Can suppress infantry if they get too close for 2 long |
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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 10:07:45 pm » |
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Tym... are you being serious?
An OPTIONAL MG that CAN suppress IF the inf get too close for too long is reason enough for 2 more pop?
It has to purchase the machine gun (fair enough. Just like any other vehicle) and it has to purchase the rapid fire rounds (the Gwagon equivalent of lockdown, which comes with the marder for free).
There is no reason for a Gwagon to be 8 pop when its near identical twin is 6. No matter what crazy, sad reasoning someone might use to try and argue otherwise.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 11:45:14 pm » |
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ofcourse you want dedicated anty tank to supress and engage inf,because there wont be atg,m10 or something coming behind them...when allies rush,they just send rifles withouth support  |
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 02:46:34 am » |
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agreed the G should be 6 pop
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Tymathee
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 08:30:53 am » |
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smh, I meant to say it like this "The HMG...?"
i forgot the ? but still the hmg is pretty good. especially since I saw someone start with 3 of these and kept them on the field for about 12 minutes wreaking terror on the field, destroying atg's, running after infantry, the only way we were able to get them was with a combined ab + atg assault and catching them while turning.
so, after seeing that 3 gwagon start, they need to be 8 pop because it's just too easy to spam. Plus, the Marder used to be 8 pop but was downed to 6, not because of the usefulness of the marder but because of the pop of the supporting units needed to make a PE company effective.
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2011, 08:52:05 am » |
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+ 1 on 6 pop gwagen
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 09:59:50 am » |
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Why is Panther and P4 Mg 50 mu when its obviously nothing close to a stug mg thats 50 mu?
That is a really good fucking question. lol We've been discussing this one internally. The vCoH beta is reworking the unit, so after we get a full picture of what they are doing with it, we might implement the mainstream fix instead of just tampering with the gun stats more. Then we can talk about price and pop fixes. |
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Tymathee
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 10:00:12 am » |
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if u change it, then this is ur normal terror start
dual gwagon 12 pop
2 oakleaves 10 pop
1 hmg = 3 pop
it'll be really hard to beat
or you'll see 4 gwagon starts by spammers so, no. 3 was tough enuff. b4 that game i'd have agreed with the 6 pop but after seein gthem used so well with 3 on field, no
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 10:11:14 am » |
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oakleaves kch are 6 pop afaik. Right now Gwagons are really no different than mardars aside from the top MG. It's something to look into anyways, as this unit is needlessly expensive atm.
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2011, 10:50:35 am » |
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Ya, i never thought about using the g-wagon because of its price. If pop came down or it was cheaper I would consider using this unit. I have also noticed that the g-wagon seems to bug out where it will not fire. This is something I have noticed when my allies are using it, does anyone else experince this problem, or are my eyes bugged?
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 10:59:18 am » |
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Tym allies bias room is this way --------->
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Tymathee
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 11:18:39 am » |
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nug, didn't i just say lower price but not pop? how is that bias, I agree it's overpriced but it's too easy to spam at 6 pop. U dont make vehicles that can fulfill dual roles 6 pop, it's a recipe for disaster. If someone said shermans should be 10 pop i'd call 'em crazy, or lower m8's to 6 pop i'd call 'em crazy.
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Malgoroth
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 11:37:36 am » |
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With the MG the Gwagon still doesn't fulfill dual roles. Its pathing is shit and its turn speed is slower than snails fucking. It's by no means an assault unit. The MG is a deterrent against infantry rushes but it isn't a win button.
I'm glad to hear the unit will be looked at price/pop-wise because it sorely needs one or both of those fixed.
6 pop means it's spammable... Where do you get your crazy assertions Tym? Is there a hidden "Allied player talking points" forum somewhere? Do me and 8thRifle need to start an "Axis player talking points" email list to compensate?
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RikiRude
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2011, 11:49:15 am » |
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Ya, i never thought about using the g-wagon because of its price. If pop came down or it was cheaper I would consider using this unit. I have also noticed that the g-wagon seems to bug out where it will not fire. This is something I have noticed when my allies are using it, does anyone else experince this problem, or are my eyes bugged?
yep i use them and this happens, annoying as hell. also even lowing the pop to 7 would be nice. these also have to be one of the hardest and most retarded units to micro as well. |
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