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[NightRain]

170 mp, 75 muni, 4 pop, 6 pool value unit in an open top carrier =/= 280 mp, 120 muni, 5 pop, 8 pool value unit in an open top carrier.

Can people please stop comparing them like they're the same fuckin' unit? "Well duurrrr the PE can do it!1!11!!!"
Worst. Argument. Ever.

+1

[BigDick]

170 mp, 75 muni, 4 pop, 6 pool value unit in an open top carrier =/= 280 mp, 120 muni, 5 pop, 8 pool value unit in an open top carrier.

Can people please stop comparing them like they're the same fuckin' unit? "Well duurrrr the PE can do it!1!11!!!"
Worst. Argument. Ever.

dude you don't need to put assault flammen into inf HTs to rape with them

i testet it some min ago without ANY micro and smoke usage you can easily get 20++ kills on them against rangers and lmg airbornes

try this with inf armored and now 3 man sappers

i don't say they are OP as fuck because with sprint they cost some menpower but as like other elite infantry they are really worth their price
and not like these fail sappers that can't do shit without a carrier

they were ok in carriers and they were counterable

[Malgoroth]

Why do you keep comparing them to PE assault flammen grens? No shit PE assault flammen grens are awesome. I know this. I use them and if they were real people I'd go gay for them because I love them so much. But they are completely different units found in completely different doctrines. If it was just flame sappers it wouldn't be an issue, just like ami and wehr flame engis/pios aren't an issue. But with the bren carrier they become too much.

Too easily spammed to too great an effect.

[BigDick]

my assault flammen rape more than a flame sapper in a bren and are more difficult to counter and cheaper

220mp 20 mun 30 fuel + 180mp +75mun = 400mp 95 mun 30fuel 7pop

vs

280mp 120 mun + 50mp for sprint = 330mp 120mun 5 pop

i can't remember having ever more than 20 inf kills on a flame sapper bren but very often exploding and dying these clowncars without killing anything

but i very often have 20+ kills on flammen assault grens which are 70mp cheaper 30 fuel cheaper but 25mun more expensive

and everyone knows that the performance of assault flammens used in halftracks is even worse than using them without halftracks

to counter flame brens was much easier than to counter assault flammen

[Malgoroth]

Arguing with you is like arguing with Tym.

Except he's better at bullshitting than you are.

[brn4meplz]

Yeah... too racist. No more pictures like that

[Groundfire]

Feedback on the patch only or GTFO

[Tymathee]

This is just going in circles. The argument he's trying to make is that one somehow people fine Sapper flames in bren carriers OP but those same people (axis players) don't find anything wrong with flammen grens. I dont care about the price, pop, pool w/e the fact is, they are used in the very same way and fulfill the same role.

The very fact that flammens are 3x as effective yet no one argues against them is what makes the argument against sapper flames crap. Its a 75mu upgrade leave it be. They don't need to be taken out, it fits the doctrine imo. At least they're not in commando they'd really rape then.

Back on the patch, if you're making the 25 a t1 unlock for RCA, can you at least make the mortar emplacement doc wide.

It's not that powerful but it gives the other brit factions a more reliable stand off weapon against entrenched foes.

i'm not counting off maps, only on map artillery and indirect fire units.

WM has their mortar, longer range that all mortars and the stuka
US has the callie on armor and howie on infantry. AB is kinda the only one on ami's,
PE have the hotch stuka and mortar ht, which can't be countered by other mortars
Brits only have the 25 and priest on rca, i guess u can count the spigot mortar on RSE but commandoes have nothing

[brn4meplz]

Assault flammen grens will get their time too Tym, have faith.

and to any of you who go "But why?" The answer is because 80hp's and AB armour on an assault squad is clearly broken.

[Malgoroth]

Tym, don't be thick.

"I don't care about price, pop, pool w/e"
Well, you should. Because that's a big fuckin' deal.

180 mp 75 munis...

280 mp 120 munis...

Then pop and pool

If that discrepancy means nothing to you then you're... well... retarded.

[RoyalHants]

Tym, don't be thick.

"I don't care about price, pop, pool w/e"
Well, you should. Because that's a big fuckin' deal.

180 mp 75 munis...

280 mp 120 munis...

Then pop and pool

If that discrepancy means nothing to you then you're... well... retarded.

Assualt flammens are more survivable then sappers and have mp 44s instead of lees

[Mister Schmidt]

Assualt flammens are more survivable then sappers and have mp 44s instead of lees

They're a one doctrine only T3 unlock.

[puddin]

They're a one doctrine only T3 unlock.

if you wanna use that logic put t-17s t3 and make them the same as ToV. 

Just because its a doctrine unlock, and just because its any teir does not mean it should rape face. 

[Mister Schmidt]

Old AB?

[smurfORnot]

while we are comparing them,why are sappers better than pioneers with flame,for only a bit more you get 2 more men,which means double survability?!

[BigDick]

no they are 3 men not 4 when ever you get 1 men more that got less health than the pios no medkits and is a doctrine unlock