Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank

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[nugnugx]

13 + 7 vs 8


20 ppl want a PE tank vs 8 that do not want.

I say the community see the problem in lack of PE medium tank.

[Demon767]

No no no no NO!

This is just gonna turn out like lee-enfield commandos. MARK MY WORDS AGAIN.

[nugnugx]

No no no no NO!

This is just gonna turn out like lee-enfield commandos. MARK MY WORDS AGAIN.

no u

this is needed actualy and you can't compare it to smth like  enfield mando

[Demon767]

no u

i didnt compare, i stated it will turn out like lee-enfield commandos

The roles have already been filled in, all you are doing is getting the shittier version of both roles. Hello CORRELATION!?

[nugnugx]

all you are doing is getting the shittier version of both roles.

no you're not

[Demon767]

*facepalm*

[nugnugx]

see, you don't understand the purpose of this unit, and you say it's a shittier version because you don't know how it would work.

[smurfORnot]

That is not always a good thing, as its often late game you start to find your own atg's being turned against you. Can't do that with PE.

so then,lets just make it,when the crew of allied support weapons dies,weapon is destroyed,happy with that? you wouldnt have any more problems with your weapons turned against you.

[nugnugx]

so then,lets just make it,when the crew of allied support weapons dies,weapon is destroyed,happy with that? you wouldnt have any more problems with your weapons turned against you.

I can see the allied side whine from miiiiiiiiiiilees if their atg was destroyed when you retreat your crew

[Demon767]

see, you don't understand the purpose of this unit, and you say it's a shittier version because you don't know how it would work.

All your doing theory crafting a better unit in your head to neutralise my argument, which is illogical.

Its a MBT, Between a Panther and a IST. Worse in both roles.

Id rather have a IST as WM if i can support spam.

your arguments have fail written all over them.

[nugnugx]

All your doing theory crafting a better unit in your head to neutralise my argument, which is illogical.

que ?

Its a MBT, Between a Panther and a IST. Worse in both roles.

Worse in AT role than an IST ? 

[Demon767]

Dumbfuck.

Worse then Panther in AT duties.
Worse then IST in AI duties.

[nugnugx]

haha that's why you don't understand effectiveness to cost ratio to unit performance.

and ofcourse it will be worse than IST in AI because it's not supposed to be infantry killer, that is why IST is there in the first place.

[Demon767]

and it will be worse than Panther in AT because it's not supposed to be tank killer, that is why Panther is there in the first place. (among Marder+50mm)

So your whole argument for the tank is nullified.
I'm ending it here, there's nothing more i need to say.

[smurfORnot]

so what is the point of hetzer then??? since it's worse than panther in AT duty

what is point of jumbo? since it's worse than upgun sherman in at duty,and same as normal sherman in AI duty...

[Demon767]

We had no choice of implementation of the Hetzer. Take it out then

Um dude, Sherman Jumbo is for AI duty, up-armoured. but since its doctrinal you cant take out the 75mm in all factions, so we must deal with that.

[smurfORnot]

but for AI duty u also have normal sherman,and crocodile,why not use them...and there are rangers,howitzers etc.

[Demon767]

but for AI duty u also have normal sherman,and crocodile,why not use them...and there are rangers,howitzers etc.

Can we stay on the topic of tanks and not being in Infantry kthx

Facepalm SMURF i already stated its a better choice for AI Duty, thats why it was implemented!

Its why you see threads stating, "Buff Crocodile please! Sherman 75 and 76 and better in its AI role." If a unit doesnt perform better in its designed role theres no reason to take it!

Example Buff croc massively will create users stating, "Buff Jumbo please its not performing better then the croc since its a doctrine unlock!" sooner or later one of them has to be nerfed or taken out of EIR. simple eir methodology

Its also a reason why you dont see Sherman 75. Whats the point when the Sherman 76 performs equally better in both AI and AT. That is unless you completely decrease 76 accuracy towards infantry that equals panther accuracy. But then people will question, Why should i take the croc which is designed solely for AI when the 75 is just as good in AI duties. One of them is gonna get buffed and the other never used due to one being better, either 75 taken out or croc taken out. Do you want ISTs removed?

[PonySlaystation]

Hetzer is good for both AT and AI duties. It's stronger than in vCoH and with APCR they can kill off Pershings. It's like a more powerful Stug.

And most of the time you can prevent the enemy from stealing your AT guns by keeping them behind other units and not too far into enemy territory, unless you know you can get them back safely. I've never seen this as a problem, some of my friends like to use their AT guns as Stormtroopers though, so for them it's a slightly bigger problem.

[nugnugx]

and it will be worse than Panther in AT because it's not supposed to be tank killer, that is why Panther is there in the first place. (among Marder+50mm)

There is also pershing , but allies have m10 and atg.
There is Tiger and KT but axis got p4s.

You argument is invalid

So your whole argument for the tank is nullified.
I'm ending it here, there's nothing more i need to say.

No your arguments are nullified because they are pointless  ' there is panther, so why bring other lighter tank'.  Because some people want to have other options than 1 heavy tank.