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« Reply #40 on: August 08, 2011, 11:59:29 am » |
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Biggest bullshit I've ever heard, panther >>>> tiger vs Pershing
Alright katanoob, here we go. Tiger Gun vs pershing = 70% base penetration, 6 sec reload, 8% inc acc Panther gun vs pershing = 60% base pen, 7 sec reload, 7.5 additional range, 8% inc acc Pershing HP = 990 Tiger HP = 1064 Panther HP = 742 Pershing gun vs Tiger = 50% base penetration, 35% inc acc Pershing vs Panther = 65% base pen, 10% inc damage Good luck when the pershing rushes you, and no even with the higher max speed you wont be able to reverse faster than he can move forward, he will overwhelm you. |
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2011, 12:08:38 pm » |
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Panthers are not very usefull for what you pay, its purley an anti tank platform, it used to be alot more usefull when every single allied tank didnt get penetration buffs. The panther is hands down the best axis tank in the current metagame - Only HVAP tanks get any penetration bonus and that buff I larger vs. the tiger due to higher initial penetration. Sherman 75mm Vs. Tiger – 24 % Sherman 75mm HVAP Vs. Tiger - 32% Sherman 75mm Vs. Panther - 20% Sherman 75mm HVAP Vs. Panther - 26% Sherman 76mm Vs. Tiger - 45% Sherman 76mm HVAP Vs. Tiger - 60% Sherman 76mm Vs. Panther - 36% Sherman 76mm HVAP Vs. Panther - 49% M10 Vs. Tiger – 55 % M10 HVAP Vs. Tiger – 73 % M10 Vs. Panter – 40 % M10 HVAP Vs. Panther – 53 % Note: A Vet 1 (T)Rolling Thunder Panther/P4 takes 42% less damage (52% vs handheld) – this allows both to take more damage than the tiger…  |
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Mister Schmidt
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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2011, 12:15:46 pm » |
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I miss my triple Panther Rolling Thunder company.
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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2011, 12:17:49 pm » |
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my bullshit warner peeps so loud in this thread it hurts my ears  now saint pauli even need to put in a T4 buffed Vet1 unit to compare vs a vanilla unit to somehow justifies his insane statement but pauli we can do a 1v1 test game pershings vs panthers and i show you how badly the panthers get raped not to mention the tiger is somehow decent vs infantry while the panther fails when they are not fighting pershings |
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2011, 12:25:04 pm » |
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M10 and M18 cant kill a tiger by outranging it. Never ever has that happened. The penetration chances are just arnt favorable for long range
The standard penetration modifier is 075 at long range but the m10 only have a 0.9 making it much more suitable for long range shooting – The hellcat on the other hand suffer a bit on long ranges And don’t forget that the tiger will only have a 70% chance of hitting an M10 – or only 52% if the M10 has cover… A HVAP M10 sitting still in cover on long range will kill a Tiger in a 1 on 1 frontal battle… |
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nugnugx
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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2011, 12:29:52 pm » |
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Tiger Gun vs pershing = 70% base penetration, 6 sec reload, 8% inc acc
Panther gun vs pershing = 60% base pen, 7 sec reload, 7.5 additional range, 8% inc acc
yes but persh has 40 range and panther 47 , meaning i won't allow you to take a shot with your persh on my panther, when with tiger it's a shot for shot. panther speed : 5.2 accel : 2.5 persh speed : 5 accel 2 so persh can be kited no prob by panther |
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| DarkSoldierX
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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2011, 12:36:48 pm » |
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The standard penetration modifier is 075 at long range but the m10 only have a 0.9 making it much more suitable for long range shooting – The hellcat on the other hand suffer a bit on long ranges
And don’t forget that the tiger will only have a 70% chance of hitting an M10 – or only 52% if the M10 has cover…
A HVAP M10 sitting still in cover on long range will kill a Tiger in a 1 on 1 frontal battle…
Nien. False information. Standard pen range modifier is 0.75? Nien! There is no standard. M10 has 0.84 pen mod at long also, not 0.9. NIEN! You compare a t4 against a non buffed tank. And a tank in vehicle cover too. How about blitzkrieg mid and lower T3 tiger vs hvap m10? yes but persh has 40 range and panther 47 , meaning i won't allow you to take a shot with your persh on my panther, when with tiger it's a shot for shot.
panther speed : 5.2 accel : 2.5
persh speed : 5 accel 2
so persh can be kited no prob by panther
Nien. If a pershing is already nearing max speed you wont be able to ninja move faster than him. Its easier said than done outranging units. |
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nugnugx
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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2011, 12:41:06 pm » |
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Nien. If a pershing is already nearing max speed you wont be able to ninja move faster than him.
You are already talking about a situation when pershing is in range. I won't even let you get on that 40 range with persh. |
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2011, 12:41:26 pm » |
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now saint pauli even need to put in a T4 buffed Vet1 unit to compare vs a vanilla unit to somehow justifies his insane statement
Nah the T4 was only a statement about what I consider the best Wehrmach tank option. If you want to do a Panter vs Tiger comparison the best assumption would be that the player uses T4 Battle Hardened since that is hands down the best T4 for Blitz. This also gives you the nice buff from T3 Panzer Aces. One could argue that the Panher gains most from this unlock but I actually think flexibility to change between 2 types of buffs on the tiger is better. This still doesn’t change the fact that the Panther is superior vs. almost all tanks in the game – it is after all an AT tank… The Pershing is a Notable exception since it also only have 40 range and the Tiger always had some extra buffs against it. The Tiger will do better (not win) in a slugmatch but I prefer a hit and run tactics that you can employ with the Panther. Make him move and his accuracy will go down the drain… |
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| BigDick
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« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2011, 12:42:05 pm » |
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yes but persh has 40 range and panther 47 , meaning i won't allow you to take a shot with your persh on my panther, when with tiger it's a shot for shot.
panther speed : 5.2 accel : 2.5
persh speed : 5 accel 2
so persh can be kited no prob by panther
and? both have 35 sight and if you say get an other unit in support to get the sight i tell you k. get a 3 pop jeep and block the panther.... |
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nugnugx
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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2011, 12:42:49 pm » |
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and if you say get an other unit in support to get the sight i tell you k. get a 3 pop jeep and block the panther....
k get a 2 pop bike and block persh. |
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| BigDick
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« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2011, 12:43:29 pm » |
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which results in pershing raping panther GG
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nugnugx
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« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2011, 12:44:10 pm » |
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which results in pershing raping panther GG
when persh is out of range and blocked? yes , persh taking a beating, gg. |
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| BigDick
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« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2011, 12:47:50 pm » |
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my bullshitmeter hits full of shit here
yeah sure you exactly be able to block the pershing in <7m scope
and were do you block my pershing? behind? k i drive forward to rape your panther...infront? k i steer backwards out of range GG
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2011, 12:56:53 pm » |
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You compare a t4 against a non buffed tank. And a tank in vehicle cover too.
How about blitzkrieg mid and lower T3 tiger vs hvap m10?
Middle T3 Heat Rounds is fail and won’t help you since it doesn’t change the number of shots it take to kill the M10. The Lower T3 give you +20% accuracy but that still only takes you from 52 % to 62% chance of hitting. If you think it is unfair with a static battle try doing the calculations when you have a 0.5 moving accuracy penalty instead… As soon as you start to move you only have 35 % chance of hitting the M10 at long range (42 % with Panther Aces). Nien. If a pershing is already nearing max speed you wont be able to ninja move faster than him.
Its easier said than done outranging units.
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| DarkSoldierX
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« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2011, 01:25:37 pm » |
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Ok than, the panther is supposed to be superior in AT. And it is. But its not the better tank.
Does panther gib 2 guys regularly with the chance of 4 guys, with no threat of getting stickied and buttoned while doing so? No.
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« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2011, 02:20:52 pm » |
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k get a 2 pop bike and block persh.
can we stop with theory crafting,how many times do you see in game that people use bike/jeep who is driving in front of panther pershing to allow him extra sight to kite other tank,ok,atg hits and kills bike,yea,what,you have supply of 10 bikes to scout for panther...give us a break... |
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nugnugx
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« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2011, 02:25:02 pm » |
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yea tell that to bigdick, he started theorycrafting.
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| SaintPauli
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« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2011, 02:26:23 pm » |
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Ok than, the panther is supposed to be superior in AT. And it is. But its not the better tank.
Does panther gib 2 guys regularly with the chance of 4 guys, with no threat of getting stickied and buttoned while doing so? No.
Yes, but you don’t need anti infantry when you have battle hardened grenadiers. The biggest treat to your own infantry is light vehicles and tanks… Tiger = Infantry supports tank Panther = Tank supports Infantry Considering the amount of AT-guns in allied companies, and the fact that the Tigers AT capabilities isn’t what it used to be, then the second option is clearly the better choice (with current priceing/metagame). Add to this that going with the Panther instead og the Tiger frees up 3 points of doctrinal unlocks… |
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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2011, 02:34:29 pm » |
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which can be used for blitz/double repairs ...
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