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8thRifleRegiment
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #20 on:
June 02, 2011, 04:35:01 pm »
Hetzers with apcr line with rotating ambush are epic. without, they are... meh....
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #21 on:
June 02, 2011, 04:40:06 pm »
Too bad the hetzers barely ever cloak even when noone can see them for 10-20 sec.
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Demon767
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #22 on:
June 02, 2011, 04:42:43 pm »
I find when im using hetzers i am able to use the cloak alot.
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RoyalHants
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #23 on:
June 02, 2011, 04:43:10 pm »
dont they cloak under fire like most things ?
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Demon767
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #24 on:
June 02, 2011, 04:43:42 pm »
dunno but rotating ambush is just the cream on the cake
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Smokaz
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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June 02, 2011, 04:56:16 pm »
What originally turned me off from Hetzer was the marginal benefit gained from microing the ambush, not only do you have to set it up but you have to deactive it after its "used" so the hetzer can start reversing. Putting it in a good position isn't much easier with the rotating cloak (something it didnt have back then) because it still "scrolls" slow and sometimes it would target infantry, other times the turret movement would fail. Cloak-ambush on the hellcat with it's creep up and activate ambush, turret tracks and the shot hits always felt better even if the hellcat was worse at regular shooting because I noticed the H-ambush did very little extra damage, mostly penetration, and it had the same chance to miss as the hellcat's.
Back in the day of early R mode it used to be like this: Inf HT with PG squad to possible route of advance, set up teller. Have hetzer oversee spot of teller. Vehicle/Tank hits teller, hetzer finishes off.
Hetzer
Inf HT
PG squad
= 17 pop.
A nice addition with today's TH would probably be the LATHT with cloak; thus enabling your ambush to work regardless of the teller being activated or not, add a vet 2assault gren squad to forcibly and without fail overrun the ATG temporarily that moves up to save the tank/vehicle, or add a vampire HT to deploy a goliath which you could use to trigger the goliath if it was mass infantry passing over it (enormous explosion).
StPauli used to love watching that shit. He used to say my hetzer ambushes was the best!
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PonySlaystation
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #26 on:
June 02, 2011, 05:01:48 pm »
I agree, allowing Hetzer to rotate in cloak should be a T1 or T2.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #27 on:
June 02, 2011, 05:17:33 pm »
You do realize hetzer gun is same as a P4 gun except no splash and worse acc vs infantry? As far as I can remember APCR hetzer rapes the house up, only with problems penetrating pershings and jumbo shermans, both which you can outrange with spotting scopes. Sadly their MG is worse in 3 different areas compared to a stug mg, in damage,burst, and surpression.(correct me if im wrong) so its MG isnt very good. When going up against heavy tanks with this spam tellers are required. And you should always have a shrek to support his ass, or, a low pop support unit, The light at halftrack is GREAT vs M10. Treadbreak his ass to prevent from getting flanked, but remember, M10's have a pen modifier of 1 vs hetzer so your pretty much going to get penetrated almost all the time.
Edit: Ohh and BTW they are cheap
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EliteGren
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #28 on:
June 02, 2011, 05:35:25 pm »
I find hetzers to be quite awesome when you can recycle them with a berge, they are like a worse wehr P4 but that's fine since they have great range instead.
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #29 on:
June 02, 2011, 05:36:13 pm »
what i really like on hetzers is that they can take some beatings by AT guns (other than all the other stuff PE has)
otherwise its highly dependent what to fight...since there are many M10s around which have as M18 very strange penetration modifiers vs. hetzers makes them more or less worthless except fighting rangers
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #30 on:
June 02, 2011, 06:43:40 pm »
I had mixed results with hetzers when I used them, but they were mostly good. I feel they are much more of a support unit that a unit to be supported maybe.
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Demon767
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #31 on:
June 02, 2011, 08:29:59 pm »
Ive always used Hetzer as a PE medium tank. so i build a company around a medium tank build which seems to grant me much success.
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spinn72
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #32 on:
June 02, 2011, 08:46:58 pm »
Any decent brit player can make short work of a Hetzer company. Mines, piats and FF's are all superior.
Hetzers would fail in the metagame too due to piat mandos and everyone running 3 FF companies.
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Demon767
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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June 02, 2011, 11:15:03 pm »
I dunno spinn/enkk? i played during the similar metagame a while ago with the hetzer company, all i had was the rotating ambush and teller mines and the only unit i was ever afraid of was the firefly, other then that i can snipe mandos and piats etc.
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spinn72
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #34 on:
June 02, 2011, 11:50:46 pm »
But you're Demon
.
tbh I've only had bad and horrible experiences with Hetzers, so my opinion is horribly biased. The one redeeming feature for the Hetzer in the current metagame is lack of Airborne. Airborne eat through Hetzer armour like it was paper thin! I might give them a shot after the wipe. It seems like with their inf accuracy, they'd be nasty if you used g43 slow with them at max range.
P.S. Smokaz, LATHT cloak is a luft t4, unless it got the same bonus in a TH doctrine =\
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FailHammer
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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June 03, 2011, 12:35:38 am »
Quote from: Unkn0wn on June 02, 2011, 02:41:15 pm
Moved to balance forum, although I would really ask you to write out your balance concerns with a little more style. Saying something 'fucking sucks' is not going to convince anyone of your arguments and just sets a bad tone. Your thread, as is already proven up until this point, will not be taken seriously.
I used MRL guidelines for successful writing. I started with a topic sentence that summed up my conclusion and then used data gathered from multiple trials to map out my points supporting my thesis. I then finished the piece with a restatement of the conclusion. I even signed my findings with "sincerely."
sincerely, fail
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Mysthalin
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #36 on:
June 03, 2011, 01:15:34 am »
Tbh, hetzers are the more optimal choise in the current metagame than the jagdpanther is.
At least, that's my opinion.
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Demon767
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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Reply #37 on:
June 03, 2011, 01:45:20 am »
yer airborne and fireflies.
fireflis have more range and airborne dodge most
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EliteGren
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Re: Hetzers fuckin suck
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June 03, 2011, 05:14:51 am »
Quote from: spinn72 on June 02, 2011, 11:50:46 pm
P.S. Smokaz, LATHT cloak is a luft t4, unless it got the same bonus in a TH doctrine =\
He said it
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