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[NightRain]

if...axis are spamming just Tiger companies and stormies there is a reason.

BARs and ATGs hehe.

[Katusha]

best part was when tiger step on the mine and became  imobilized. m8s were like hyenas  atacking lion in jungle

you might as well not call it a lion, and call it a tiger in a jungle? lol

[Dnice559]

It's funny how all of you turn this around and blame the axis for this. But okay sure, lets say the allies doing m8 spam beacuse the axis are doing heavy blitz companies. Let me tell you why...

ITS THE ONLY FREAKING USEFUL WHER DOCTRINCE AVAILIBLE!

And when you think about it... it have always been like this. We have seen 5 p4 companies, 2 kt companies, 3 88 companies and many others. What happend to them?

Yeah, I forgot... a similar thread started by allies who cant handle the shit. Then everything got nerfed.

And I guess its only a matter of time before I cant have my 2 tigers or even when i cant even cloak my stormies.

There isnt one useful thing about the defensive doc or terror doctrine. Thats why all wher players are playing as blitzkrieg.

When I used to play as allies we had something called balls.

When I was airborne we jumped behind the heavy tanks and harassed them!

When I was armour we had something called M10s and callies!

When I was infantry we had brave riflemen with stickies and tank reapers!

So please beloved allies! Do what I did and so many others before me! Grow some BALLS!

[Dnice559]

Right, I cant cloak my stormies or snipers anymore close to a brit player! Snap! It has already happend!

[M1d]

When I used to play as allies we had something called balls.

So what are you saying? Now a couple of good players have made M8 spam work effectively against the Axis heavy might, you have now lost your "balls" when playing as Axis? >.>

Fun replay btw guys, definitely opened my eyes to the effectiveness of the M8 when micro'd well. 

[RikiRude]

You also miss this fact.

Terror isnt done, but for being an unfinished doctrine its quite powerful, oaks leaves are tuff fucks.

Allies have 3 crappy things unlocked of AB, so we only have inf and armor.

I think it's agreed that defensive can use some love as well. But I've done quite decent with my terror and defensive companies.

[Dnice559]

Dude it isnt the first time m8 spam has been good....

The point i was trying to make was simply that make the other doctrines good and you might see some change.

so dont be such smartass m1d

[M1d]

It was actually a serious question tbh.. But see it how you will.

It just humors me, that when Allies cry about Axis spam, it just seems to get shrugged off most of the time, like it's not a problem really (from what I have seen so far anyway), you know.. The ol' "grow balls" or "deal with it" routine. But when Axis start crying about allied spam, it always seems to me that more often than not, it's a whole different ball game.

That was where my original question was going, anyway.

[Dnice559]

I'm not saying anything about nerfing allies, what im saying is dont touch my doctrine and for the love of god! Do someting with defensive, you cant even set up a 88 before its dead. and stukas, its like 8 pop but if you want them to do some damage you need two of them. Thats like 16 pop right there.  No wonder everyone play as blitz.

I dont care if mystha and those who follow him soam m8s. I dont enjoy playing against it. But I dont make a thread about it and then saying its beacuse we are tired of tigers and stormies etc.

To be honest, mystha has always played annoying companies. Its not about what works and not. Some people just like to fuck with other players. They like to see how other players get frustrated etc.

[Mysthalin]

Defensive isn't just about the 88 and the Stuka, you know? Same way armour isn't just about the pershing.

Frankly put, the Tiger + stromtrooper combination relies entirely upon concentrating tremendous ammounts of firepower in one area. How do you best counter such a tactic? You disperse the firepower into isolated little pockets that you can take out.

How do you force the "armored fist" to disperse? By giving them a reason to disperse via capping across a broad front. How is this best done? Via speedy capping units. What's a speedy capping unit? The Armour M8...
See how the simple train of logic goes? I didn't go for this company just to "fuck with other players" (Please leave your accusations to yourself thank you very much) - I went for it because it's simply the most logical company to use given the current metagame.

End of day - you can keep on telling the allies to "grow some balls" and charge riflemen at your tigers - or you can grow some bloody balls yourself and use a tactic that requires more thought process than "HERP DERP MY UNIT IS BIGGER THAN URS I SHOULD TOTALLY WIN NOW".

[TheIcelandicManiac]

"HERP DERP MY UNIT IS BIGGER THAN URS I SHOULD TOTALLY WIN NOW".

no matter how funny that sentence is who has ever said that?(excluding the noobs)

only idiots that play the game 2 or more days and then leave becouse the mod is unbalanced or becouse of real reasons like the community is mostly composite of dicks and douchbags.

well never the less tactic as you said myst should allways beat brute force regardless though the tactic is mostly spam and provoces rage in people so they start to act like idiots.

[Demon767]

lol this fool, +1 Myst

only useful wehr doctrine? LOL, ill state the unlocks that will specifically counter LVs ( and dont bother arguing about their effectiveness)



Defensive minefields 2x mines.
Equipment surplus 2x Shreks (have you forgot about the recent buff to shreks vs M8s fool?)
88 well thats an obvious choice

We den have Ready munitions so less recharge time for your panzerfausts
Camouflage equipment
Fatherland defence
Defensive positions ( if you really lucky and in green cover if the m8s are there or even better build a trench for you to jump in to receive the bonus when they arrive + your mens are 100% protected)
Omniscience ( you will no longer be wtf flanked by the m8s, meaning you can turn your paks, repositioning your double shreks in face of them.)

Terror (and as someone already has pointed out, they are not finished yet)

It seems Terror is not good against LV, even if half completed, although we all know how awesome they are against infantry and medium to heavy tanks, so we can accept this flaw in terror. (as i believe all doctrines should have a hitch) anyways there is a few choices you can use against them

Recon in force ( Puma 50mm 20% more damage? oh yer!)
Sophisticated weaponry (pull out those shreks to wtf pwn the m8s)
Combine with PP + terror of stalingrad and you have a viable shreks force that can wipe out m8s and help sniping infantry mans at the front so not entirely useless.



so as you can see, there is so many counters to LV. what i like to state is that, ARE YOU REALLY GOING TO RELY ON A DOCTRINE TO COUNTER FOR YOU? no you must make it viable yourself -.- no one stops you from spamming mines, spamming shreks, usiing bikes to show where they are, using puma 50mm. in the end everythign fucks up m8s. play better




also like to state that PE have an easier time with M8 companys

[Dnice559]

Please post a worthy replay with a defensive player with good teams.

[Demon767]

you really dont believe me?

[Unkn0wn]

Please post a worthy replay with a defensive player with good teams.

I was defensive in two of the games we played vs competent players .
I've been doing pretty good with defensive to be honest. Though the doctrine itself has very little to do with it since I'm running the dual officer T3 (Which is currently broken, lol).

Still love them LeiGs though.

Also, to be fair, I think defensive will be REALLY baller when the officer is fixed. (The dual T3 combo especially is going to be extremely potent)

[Dnice559]

Think I just proved my point in the game we just played...

[RikiRude]

i played a game as defensive vs lv spam and we did fine, probably would of won if my internet didnt shit out.

also i agree with the whole stukas need to be less pop. and i agree 88 set up time should be slightly faster, or should be faster with vet, or through doctrine buffs.

[BigDick]

Also, to be fair, I think defensive will be REALLY baller when the officer is fixed. (The dual T3 combo especially is going to be extremely potent)

defensive can be already very good but only when you get your flaks up on a decent spot on a good map for that and you are more like a siting rock than a speedy gonzales and have good team that can cap while fighting in flak range

[Mysthalin]

Also, to be fair, I think defensive will be REALLY baller when the officer is fixed. (The dual T3 combo especially is going to be extremely potent)

I wonder how long it will take you guys to nerf it once it comes out lol.

[smurfORnot]

on a big maps you cant do much unless you tailor your coy to do vs lv,but against other players this coy might be sucky,yea,I can spam upguned pumas,and this will help me against non lv player how?

did I mention how I hate using tiger 

and people are complaining tiger 2 shots m8,lol,l2p,tiger cant even hit m8 most of the time,nor can he usually aim at it...