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[PonySlaystation]

Cant flank on the map.

I disagree, there are many ways to flank on that map. I doubt that they were able to place an entire defensive line along the entire map, it's too big for that. You have the same flanking capabilities as any other map like Tanteville for example. If the enemy sets up an 88 on the left side then you can just focus on the other side and then flank it from west, east and south. I think you are to quick to judge this map.

The reason that it's a good map for WM players and bad for PE players is simply that it's a very open map. But there are ways to play to deny them this possibility to "lock down" the map. Changing focus to another side of the map is one of them.

[skaffa]

Many ways to flank on that map ? lol
Post a replay then with your awsm flanking actions.

[PonySlaystation]

Many ways to flank on that map ? lol
Post a replay then with your awsm flanking actions.

I have two replays but I don't think the version is compatible.

[LeoPhone]

U know which map should be removed skaffa?

forest. Or shall I call it neuville 2: now with improved camera angles!

[skaffa]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RMN4EO3G

here is the archive from previous version

try it

[skaffa]

U know which map should be removed skaffa?

forest. Or shall I call it neuville 2: now with improved camera angles!

vieux port cough cough

[PonySlaystation]

U know which map should be removed skaffa?

forest. Or shall I call it neuville 2: now with improved camera angles!

It's not Neuville, the only thing they have in common is the church in the middle. Forest is also a much better map than Neuville.

[skaffa]

Why is Neuville bad ? Too many flanking options  for u ?

[PonySlaystation]

Why is Neuville bad ? Too many flanking options  for u ?

It's a good map, I just dislike the buildings. The buildings on the northern side are bigger and have more windows while the buildings on the southern side are small and useless.

So if the southern team gets in those bigger buildings it can be a pain in the ass to clear. Same thing if the northern team gets in those buildings and the southern team don't have any mortars it can be a pain in the ass.

I don't think there should be so drastically different types of cover on one side and then not the other. So in that particular area, forest is more balanced. Still just a minor thing though.

[skaffa]

What I like is that if u want you can go along the edge of the map with your entire army plus teamm8s and go around the enemy position, flank that shit from the side or rear and win, something pretty impossible on most maps especially redball. This scenario is also something you can do in the start, when map is divided pretty much 50-50, on redball, no.

As always, have a nice day.

[PonySlaystation]

What I like is that if u want you can go along the edge of the map with your entire army plus teamm8s and go around the enemy position, flank that shit from the side or rear and win, something pretty impossible on most maps especially redball. This scenario is also something you can do in the start, when map is divided pretty much 50-50, on redball, no.

Again, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Just give the map another chance. I'm sure that if you played the map on your infantry coy with some competent teammates you can pull of some nice flanking maneuvers if you try to.

[Mysthalin]

Redball has one, singular semi-flanking position(extremely easy to counter with as little as 2 mines and a bike).

That is the forest on the left side by the church.

The rest of the map is basically a frontline that stretches from the hill-thing to the little hedgerowy area, and can be, effectively, fully locked down with 3 HMGs and 2 ATGs.

It is a campfest, and it's boring to fuck.

[PonySlaystation]

The rest of the map is basically a frontline that stretches from the hill-thing to the little hedgerowy area, and can be, effectively, fully locked down with 3 HMGs and 2 ATGs.

Couldn't the same thing be said about pretty much any map? Like tanteville if you have 3 HMGs then theoretically you should be able to cover most of the map. However that's not really possible in practice.

[LeoPhone]

vieux port cough cough

Hey, it might not be the best map out there, but at least its not some kind of copy paste junk.

[Mysthalin]

Couldn't the same thing be said about pretty much any map? Like tanteville if you have 3 HMGs then theoretically you should be able to cover most of the map. However that's not really possible in practice.

Massive difference in width on Tanteville mate. With 3 HMGs you'll cover, at best - one single "causeway" - it being either (right to left):

Rightwards Forest Flank
Town
Close-to-town Hedgerows
Leftwards hedgerows/crossroad

The only maps where you can actually do the same as on redball are also the ones that people (at least most of the people I consider to be good) hate with as much intensity as they do redball.

These include Vire River Valley and Bocage (albeit wide, too cluttered by buildings which makes it easy to lock-down. You basically only need an extra pak to do the same).

[smurfORnot]

what is that map I didnt play for a year,still in launcher St. du mont or smthing like that...full of hedges and shit...heaven for brits   ...that should be removed and replaced with something people will actually play...

[deadbolt]

i think all my maps should be removed tbh

[smurfORnot]

Massive difference in width on Tanteville mate. With 3 HMGs you'll cover, at best - one single "causeway" - it being either (right to left):

Rightwards Forest Flank
Town
Close-to-town Hedgerows
Leftwards hedgerows/crossroad

The only maps where you can actually do the same as on redball are also the ones that people (at least most of the people I consider to be good) hate with as much intensity as they do redball.

These include Vire River Valley and Bocage (albeit wide, too cluttered by buildings which makes it easy to lock-down. You basically only need an extra pak to do the same).

last game vs you, skaffa acussed us that we picked tante so we could camp with 88's etc. so Tante is campy as it seems...

[Mysthalin]

88s can make good use of Tante's open nature - which is the only drawback(more "length" in the map could help with that to be fair).

But other than that the map is fairly alright as far as defensiveness is concerned.

[skaffa]

Mysth told me that you guys actually wanted Red Ball at first, rafl.