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[Unkn0wn]

OMG doesn't give +3 pop to attackers though, does it? I reckon that'll help.
(Although there's other ways we can address the potential overpowering advantage that is defending)

And yes, the Attack/Defend mechanic being fixed and becoming standard is FAST approaching 

[shockcoil]

What are you going to do? Hardcode it into the game that defenders aren't allowed to move beyond the 75% point for 10 minutes? lol

Giving more advantages to attackers isn't prudent because beyond spawn rushing, defenders actually have the harder time against competent attackers.

[spinn72]

this thread was never intended for serious balance issues, it's just smurfornot trying to boast because he thinks 9-0 is an achievement.

Stop treating it like it's supposed to be serious.

[Smokaz]

Im curious to what Unknown is talking about as well, since this has been discussed to death over at OMG. I'm pretty sure this is just conjecture from him, refering to ideas that have yet to be even though of 

[shockcoil]

this thread was never intended for serious balance issues, it's just smurfornot trying to boast because he thinks 9-0 is an achievement.

Stop treating it like it's supposed to be serious.

NO U! EIR IS SRS BSNSS

[smurfORnot]

just delete my post and rename thread,job done

[Grundwaffe]

KCH are a bit pain in the ass,but that's only thing that bothered me right now.

[Smokaz]

Its pretty hilarious how I've become the new defender of a slower gameplay, but I'm open to both ideas, just like I always was open to both playing axis and allies. When I see gameplay and availability confining people to 1 choice, it upsets me because the pretense is that its supposed to be open and free. Right now the doctrine buffs are too tempting to avoid textbook spam companies, forcing people to get AAA BBB CCC companies instead of OILABDF companies. Instead the game should force them to make the best out of the units that their doctrine buffs, but still bring a variety of units because of restrictions against just buying 8 m10s or 25 riflemen.

[BigDick]

i actually hate attack+defend but since its some part of warmap i need to deal with it....but when it turns out to be like OMG with sitting around and mortaring 40 minutes i'll quit this mod

[CrazyWR]

Its a good example of the pool cost being unfair for a single calli, while having merit when you have three of them.

makes me think perhaps a sliding scale of some sort might be the trick?

[Unkn0wn]

Biggest problem with the pool system is the oversupply in the current late-war situation where everybody has way too many PPs to spend.

Also, it doesn't take a genius to mitigate the problem that is attacking defenders in A/D gamemode. Not to mention that a base 4 minute defense timer is pretty crazy.

i actually hate attack+defend but since its some part of warmap i need to deal with it....but when it turns out to be like OMG with sitting around and mortaring 40 minutes i'll quit this mod

This is unlikely, simply because EIR is a lot more vehicle based than OMG. (MUCH less MP and considerably more fuel). the gamemode has very little to do with it. You can play R+ or ME, camp down and have a 40 minute mortar war just as well.

[CrazyWR]

and as for the rest of this argument, competent attackers will be able to solve whatever strategy is used against them, most particularly by proper scouting and callin management.  While I agree certain companies are definitely biased to ME/R+, it is also true other companies are very biased to atk/def.  Being able to handle all of these roles is something that very few company builds can do effectively smokaz, and guiding company builds down those very few paths is bad for the mod IMO.


EDIT: I personally think oversupply should be encouraged, as it leads to more fun companies.

[Unkn0wn]

I personally think oversupply should be encouraged, as it leads to more fun companies.

Technically you should have enough unit variety and company differentiation within the pool system, oversupply just lets you DEFY the very 'soft' restrictions we put up. The pool system is there to address only excessive forms of spam (be it the spam of one unit or one type of units)

Though mind you that with the removal of oversupply we will also be adding a weapons cache which will allow unupgraded elite infantry to be used as mainline infantry (Obviously they're still more expensive on MP, but at least you won't HAVE to use for example primarily riflemen any more)

[deadbolt]

lol @ this thread. axis > allies in most cases.

[spinn72]

i actually hate attack+defend but since its some part of warmap i need to deal with it....but when it turns out to be like OMG with sitting around and mortaring 40 minutes i'll quit this mod

+10.
And lol so true smurf, this thread is barely about what you started it with!

[smurfORnot]

just let mods rename it and delete first few post.

[Unkn0wn]

To what?

[smurfORnot]

I dont know,to what is being argued here,cuz it sure not about what threat name is,lol

[skaffa]

Its pretty hilarious how I've become the new defender of a slower gameplay

I was surprised too.
But good! Now I wont be alone anymore.

[CrazyWR]

its mostly b/c smokaz hates vehicles tbh, because he has no clue what do when the enemy uses 80gunz.