[WM] storm 2xmp44 overprice

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[DarkSoldierX]

I want to play the same EIR fairy land as you where it rains with atgs and rivers flow with mortars and everything is undefended.

Lol, I want to play in the same EIR fairy land in which there is no HMG right behind those storms.

If you cant support your 5 pop ninjas then they cant support a 5 pop ATG.

And lol no you guys must be some crackheads to think platform isn't included into it.

Its the reason why 4 man KCh cost more mun than assault grens derp derp. Its the reason storm shrecks cost alot more than normal shrecks derp derp x2.

Its the reason piats cost more on mandos than on sappers.

I mean seriously guys stop derping. Platform is a factor of weapon pricing and has always been a factor of weapon pricing.

[nugnugx]

Lol, I want to play in the same EIR fairy land in which there is no HMG right behind those storms.

HMG behind storms on a attack on enemy positions behind lines where mortar and atg is ?

Platform is a factor of weapon pricing and has always been a factor of weapon pricing.

And yet kch with heroic armor is more survivable in a direct encounter with enemy in a gun fight and their mp44 is cheaper than a storm squad which gets eaten by anything.
To fight with mp44 you HAVE to uncloak , so the 'platform' goes down the drain.

[AmPM]

And Ive taken the platform into account. There its a reason you hardly see MP44 Storms. You see tons of smg rangers, bar rifles, kch, pgrens of all kinds, fj with fg42, gren lms, etc.

The MP44 is overpriced for its platform. If you seriously think they are so powerful use them.

[BigDick]

don't try to discuss with darksoldierX thats just a waste of time

and smokaz ur fail logic is decrew ATG equals destroyed ATG if you manage to destroy that ATG then the storms made up for their costs...but if its so easy to destroy (because lonely and unsupported) why not just use a cheap mainline inf for that?

don't know mp44 storms is a doubleedge sword...i see only use in sniper hunting and making vet whores rage by killing some vet....but in normal combat they are hardly cost effective

[DarkSoldierX]

don't try to discuss with darksoldierX thats just a waste of time

and smokaz ur fail logic is decrew ATG equals destroyed ATG if you manage to destroy that ATG then the storms made up for their costs...but if its so easy to destroy (because lonely and unsupported) why not just use a cheap mainline inf for that?

don't know mp44 storms is a doubleedge sword...i see only use in sniper hunting and making vet whores rage by killing some vet....but in normal combat they are hardly cost effective

Then stop using it in normal combat.

Stop discussing with me then forfeit this argument, I win.

[nugnugx]

Then stop using it in normal combat.

mp44  which is an assault weapon of   19.5 DPS   by STORM TROOPERS is  not to be used in normal combat?


I guess then all mp44 are to decrew atgs and mortars,  hey its their role after all, and when you kill an atg of 120 mu with  150 mp44 squad  your squad cost efficieny is 100%.

Use grens and volks for close assault combat of 6 dps !

[tank130]

Get it back on topic gents

[nugnugx]

on a second thought yea !

it is storms role to sneaky kill atgs and mortars ,  they cannot fight in normal combat, and that is why their mp44s are overpriced.

They cannot go up against other elite inf and they got probs with normal inf so their mp44 price has to go down.

Thanks Smokaz and Darksoldier for supporting the argument.

[smurfORnot]

soldier armor stats don't lie Smurf, and you can get cloak on falls also.  If anything they are on same level with falls being slightly better.

ok,so 60hp soldier armor with moving cloack is better than 95hp elite armor with moving cloack+ medikit upgrade/2xbundle nade if desired  

You see tons of smg rangers, bar rifles, kch, pgrens of all kinds, fj with fg42, gren lms, etc.

and you will give falls what else,nothing? How many storms do you see used with no upgrades?

[nugnugx]

ok,so 60hp soldier armor with moving cloack is better than 95hp elite armor with moving cloack+ medikit upgrade/2xbundle nade if desired  

eh..... don't put doctrines into it because people don't have to take it

its soldier armor vs the normal armor and hp

if you add doctrine don't forget you get medkits on luft also,  and falls got panzerfaust which storms don't have + incendiary nade and 4 fg42 for cheaper than 4 mp44.

[smurfORnot]

so it soldier armor 60hp per man, cloack only in cover,fg42,faust and inc nade which is awesome  VS 95hp per man,MOVING cloack,1x/2x shreck upgrade,2x/4x mp44 upgrade,medikit,bundle nade ...yeah,falls are so much superior...I only see that now.

[brn4meplz]

eh..... don't put doctrines into it because people don't have to take it

its soldier armor vs the normal armor and hp

if you add doctrine don't forget you get medkits on luft also,  and falls got panzerfaust which storms don't have + incendiary nade and 4 fg42 for cheaper than 4 mp44.

Medkits for Luftwaffe companies are not worth it as a Tier 3. I'm going to look into alternative healing options for them because it's simply not efficient or quick. It does nothing to harmonize the Ambush aspect of FSJ's

[EliteGren]

Whoever said that MP44 storms reach cost effectiveness by killing a single ATG crew is wrong. This is only true when you destroy the gun itself, and with MP44s you are going to spend alot of time making noise and being uncloaked.

[smurfORnot]

Medkits for Luftwaffe companies are not worth it as a Tier 3.

told that long ago...

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Medkits for Luftwaffe companies are not worth it as a Tier 3. I'm going to look into alternative healing options for them because it's simply not efficient or quick. It does nothing to harmonize the Ambush aspect of FSJ's

the fuck are you talking about?
50 mun gives you 3*4 medkits that can heal a squad up in notime and even better it allso gives you the ablity to heal your teamates troops on the fly so what the fuck are you talkinga bout it not being worth a t3?
50 mun for something like that is just hilarius for a units like that.

[Smokaz]

Heal rate buff was nerfed too much imo, but this is OT

[brn4meplz]

the fuck are you talking about?
50 mun gives you 3*4 medkits that can heal a squad up in notime and even better it allso gives you the ablity to heal your teamates troops on the fly so what the fuck are you talkinga bout it not being worth a t3?
50 mun for something like that is just hilarius for a units like that.

You need to drop the Medkits, you need to pick up the medkits. Both of those actions are not conducive to Ambush units. (or Units which have an Ambush Mechanic) There's multiple options, and while the Medic crate is cool it just takes too much time from the battle to go and use properly.

[AmPM]

I always found the Medkits awesome, drop it on, grab it on your way to the front or after falling back, go back up, heal during fight in cover, win.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

And so?
drop it close the frontlines or sides where the enemy will most likely not find it and even tough they see it and take it it only a loss of 50 mun and sence the enemy cant use it its not a great loss to by loseing it.
well sure it would be better if the ablity would allso give you the ability to buy repairs on the 88 and Wierling but Meds are quite awesome as they are if you aint a Over aggresive player.

[brn4meplz]

Still the issue of it costing 3 Reward points. Theres a few forms of healing that cost too much in Reward points simply because there was no where good to place them