DarkSoldierX
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« on: August 02, 2011, 10:27:54 am » |
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I believe Gwagon is overpriced or too low dps.
Alright heres the differences between the units for those turds -
The gwagon cost 50 manpower and 10 fuel more than a marder III.
Platform pros -
Faster speed and accel
Capable of more upgrades
platform cons -
Can't site main gun
Weapon pros-
35 more damage
Weapon cons -
3.5 seconds slow reload cycle
Everything else is the same.
So, for 50 manpower 10 fuel more you get a unit that has significantly less DPS than a marder, but is more maneuverable, and can be upgraded.
I respect that the upgradability and speed is an advantage, but the lower DPS is significant. Especially when a marder locks down.
I think gechutes reload should go down 1.5s or go down to marder III pricing. Its speed and upgradability IS a advantage yes, but the pure DPS raping abilities of a marder III just totaly blow it out of the water.
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nugnugx
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 10:29:06 am » |
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You can buy fast firing rounds on gwag and you don't get penalty of lockdown that you have to stand still.
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| BigDick
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 10:29:55 am » |
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gwaggon is fine
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| DarkSoldierX
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 10:32:57 am » |
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Which cost 50 munitions, and the lockdown marder can just be like trololololol I STILL SHOOT FASTER
Rapid fire gechutes - 185 dmg 3.75 reload
Marder III Lockdown - 150 dmg 3 reload.
So the gechutes paid 50 mun more and his dps isn't significantly better.
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nugnugx
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 10:34:15 am » |
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Which cost 50 munitions, and the lockdown marder can just be like trololololol I STILL SHOOT FASTER
Rapid fire gechutes - 185 dmg 3.75 reload
Marder III Lockdown - 150 dmg 3 reload.
So the gechutes paid 50 mun more and his dps isn't significantly better.
But on marder with lockdown you cannot chase an escaping tank, with geshutz you can pop rounds and chase him and outdps other moving tank because you will land those 2-3 shots more. |
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pandaExpress
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 10:34:39 am » |
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you get an MG rolling thunder +tank mg =win
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they tell me i'm weird i tell them their normal
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| Katusha
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 12:03:45 pm » |
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Geshutz is really fine... does incredible damage on first shot, and doesnt have to lock down to do it and become vulnerable to atgs
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| Poppi
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2011, 07:59:15 am » |
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Has he seen panda use these things before?
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| smurfORnot
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2011, 10:48:36 am » |
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your point poppi?
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| Katusha
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2011, 10:51:45 am » |
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His point is that I made an opinion without having seen panda use them.
His implied point is that I am noob and he is not
My point is, why should i listen to you poppi? You're a noob ally that hasn't learn to play yet, and every post you make, I mean every fucking post you make its some sadist shit about allied units being subpar
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2011, 11:29:40 am » |
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question is,if allies are so UP,why is he not playing axis,when they are obviously OP.
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| EliteGren
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 11:31:28 am » |
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because he fails with them
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i prefer to no u
Don't knock it til uve tried it bitchface, this isn't anything like salads version. Besides u said a semois conversion would never work, now look that's the most played map, ohgodwhy.jpg r u map lead
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RikiRude
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 11:48:33 am » |
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i agree gwagons are fine, though i do wish they either had quicker reload or rapid rounds were slightly less in price. mostly because the way they turn is so fucking painful and the pathing, jeeeeez.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 11:56:41 am » |
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Except everything you said is untrue. Marder and Gescutz use the exact same gun, a marder in lockdown reloads for longer than 3 seconds.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 12:01:31 pm » |
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not sure if its still exact same gun myst, it uses the vcoh gun since 2.602
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| Poppi
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 12:06:03 pm » |
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His point is that I made an opinion without having seen panda use them.
His implied point is that I am noob and he is not
My point is, why should i listen to you poppi? You're a noob ally that hasn't learn to play yet, and every post you make, I mean every fucking post you make its some sadist shit about allied units being subpar
 Jesus I wasnt even talking to Katusha. So much rage over stupid things. |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 12:08:53 pm » |
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And why exactly did you implement a vCoH change as retarded as that, again?
Still, what darksoldier said is mostly incorrect.
The Geschutzwagen reloads, normally, for 8.5 seconds.
Rapid fire reduces this to 4.75 seconds.
The Marder III reloads, normally for 5 seconds.
Lockdown reduces this to 4, while increasing damage to 165/shot and increasing penetration by 1.35
So overall yeah, soz for calling you out on that. Revert Geschutz gun to Marder gun, case closed.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2011, 12:33:23 pm » |
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no,
maybe make rapid fire free or something and reduce price.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2011, 12:40:06 pm » |
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Or, revert it to marder gun because that. You know. Worked.
Unlike whatever fucking retardation Relic keeps thinking of.
Relic balance team needs to gtfo.
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LeoPhone
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2011, 12:42:35 pm » |
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having a different unit with exact same gun stats just seems... boring.
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